Washing the Feet of Men Only on Holy Thursday

SFLatin Mass ^ | march 2005 | sflatinmass

[murphE]

I am just giving this man information.

Correction, this lady, no offense taken, I have an ambiguous handle.

Thanks for the information. My priest comes from Ridgefield, I'm sure he would have mentioned it if they were having it. Unfortunately, I will not be able to make it to NJ, besides I am a sissy when it comes to driving any distance. :-0

[jrny]

My apologies.

God bless you this Holy Week.

[murphE]

And may you too be granted abundant graces and blessings this Holy Week.

[Romulus]

"sometimes an act of mortification can be tinged with pride, but never an act of obedience."

[jrny]

Check out this site:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14506a.htm

FYI, since the 1955 Revision of Holy Week, Tenebrae is held in the morning of all 3 days rather than the evenings before as the link indicates. However, if the Mass of Chrism is to take place, Tenebrae of Holy Thursday may be anticipated the evening before in that particular church.

[Romulus]

If Western society is going to (justifiably) criticize Muslims for clinging to Arab tribal customs, it behooves us to leave behind our own archaic practices.

I don't give a flip about "Arab tribal customs", and neither should any other genuine conservative. So long as people aren't practicing terrorism or otherwise imposing themselves on others, the idea that we have a mandate to rip people from their cultures in the service of a Greater Good is a perfect example of the Gramscian way so-called conservatives have let themselves be morphed into monster-state utopians.

The reservation of footwashing for men only is archaic only if you strip the rite from its ecclesial context as a sign of Christ's institution of a priesthood to mediate his sacraments for the world's salvation, and reduce it to a social service that fits comfortably in the categories of a secularist world that always has and always will look for ways to tame the Church.

[lrslattery]

Some years ago I attended a Holy Thursday where the pastor had decided in order to avoid "conflict" that everyone's hands would be washed.

A perfect imitation of Pontius Pilate, no doubt.

[NYer]

Great article! Now, here's a thought. There is a place for A woman in the Holy Thursday liturgy, and that would be washing the priest's feet with her tears. Okay ... so it didn't occur on that day but it seems perfectly reasonable to incorporate that into the liturgy.

[JesseHousman]

Well put, Romulus.

[lrslattery]

A Tenebrae service will return to the Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis after an absence of several decades.

The approximately hourlong devotional practice will begin about 9 p.m. Holy Thursday, March 24, at the cathedral basilica, Lindell Boulevard and Newstead Avenue in the Central West End. It follows the Mass of the Lord’s Supper that evening.

Tenebrae is Latin for "darkness" or "shadows." The ancient service of sung psalms and scriptural readings during Holy Week dates from medieval times. It focuses on Christ’s passion and death, ending with the "hope for His resurrection that we’ll celebrate on Easter," said Tenebrae coordinator Father Thomas G. Keller, co-director of the Office of Worship.

For more info: http://stlouisreview.com/article.php?id=8074

[jrny]

The approximately hourlong devotional practice will begin about 9 p.m

The traditional (1962) Tenebrae lasts approx. 2 hours if it is sung in full chant.

Excellent news. Part of the pre-Vatican II Liturgical Movement was to get lay participation in the Divine Office. A lot of progress has been made in this regard in both the old and new rites.

[Piers-the-Ploughman]

you wrote: A perfect imitation of Pontius Pilate, no doubt.

lol

[murphE]

I found out tonight, Ridgefield is having/celebrating/ saying? Tenebrae on Thursday. It seems that the lack of good quality male voices, well versed in Latin, is the reason why it is not done in most chapels.

[k omalley]

"Some years ago I attended a Holy Thursday where the pastor had decided in order to avoid 'conflict' that everyone's hands would be washed."

Same here, in the diocese of Richmond, Va. The priest's reason was that hand-washing is more in step with modern times than foot washing.

[k omalley]

I will be attending my first Tenebrae tonight in Washington, DC at the Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle.

Tomorrow night I will be attending the Holy Thursday TLM at Old St. Mary's. This is my first since TLM was unceremoniously kicked out of the Church. I am really excited about having such a wonderful opportunity. I well remember the old Holy Thursday Mass and have missed it despite the fact I haven't been to one for at least 35 years or more.

[JesseHousman]

...hand-washing is more in step with modern times than foot washing.

These advocates of dragging Christ's Church into modern times probably believe that Jesus is wearing Nikes!

[murphE]

Awesome!

May Our Lord grant you abundant graces and blessings this Holy Week!

[ELS]

A Tenebrae service will return to the Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis after an absence of several decades.

You probably already know about this. Are you participating or is it going to be chanted by an all male schola?

[jrny]

FYI

If an all male schola is present to chant the Office, that does not preclude the singing of all who are present. In fact, the Schola is there to lead and alternate psalm verses with the Congregation.

Only the Responsories are reserved to the Schola alone because of their more complex chants. I suppose, however, that a really advanced Congregation could very well be allowed to sing these as it would not be against any liturgical rubric to do so.

The Lessons, by their nature, are likewise reserved to a single lector at a time to sing.

[VermiciousKnid]

Murph,

Where are you going for the TLM? St. Pius X Residence Chapel?

Regards,