Posted on 03/21/2005 1:36:27 PM PST by 1 spark
What about Miryam(Mary) ?
B'shem Y'shua
chuck
No. Are you Mormon? I think this is an LDS belief.
It's documented history. As you say, it doesn't mean anything to you. Because you refuse to believe doesn't make it any less true.
"We see him completely differently."
Who's we? You cannot speak for the entire Jewish population, because many, many have forund their Messiah in Jesus after searching and being shown the scriptures.
His earthly father was Joseph; however Mary, his mother never sexually knew Joseph to beget Jesus. Jesus was born of a virgin Mary, impregnated by the Holy Spirit, and Jesus' father was God.
It is written by the prophet Isaiah. 7:14:
Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God is with us).
This prophecy of the Messiah was fulfilled in Jesus Christ in the Gospel of Luke 1:26,27,30,31
And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth.
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was JOSEPH, OF THE HOUSE OF DAVID; and the virgin's name was Mary.
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary for thou has found favour with God.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Oh, so what you are claiming is not that they didn't "know" the prophetic scriptures, but that they (in your belief) "misunderstood" them.
I don't see how Isaiah 9:7 prophecies a second coming of the messiah.
After His Resurrection, however, He appeared to his disciples on many occasions, and they believed and knew He was the Messiah and thus they turned the world upside down for Jesus Christ, in fact, dying for Him, beginning in Jerusalem.
And that is a foundation of your faith. It is not proven and means nothing to me.
Here are some links if you are really interested:
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/explanation02.html
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq042.html
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/j4jlibrary/leviticus1711.html
People typically don't like to be accused of things they didn't do.
He mentions Jesus and James. But some of the details of the passages in question are generally accepted by scholars as being later interpolations.
In my opinion, Christianity as we know it today is largely the creation of Paul. I think the historical Jesus would be shocked at what came to be taught about him.
The Dead Sea Scrolls do not contain any "New Testament" writings. Claims that partial fragments of "NT" texts were found have been refuted. The oldest extant, nearly-complete manuscripts of "NT" texts date from centuries after the life of Jesus.
Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Fulfilled in the Gospel of Luke 1:32,33
When Jesus Christ returns (in the not so far off future because of what is happening prophetically in Israel today and to the Jew) he will conquer evil and bring judgment and righteousness to the earth in his new Kingdom on earth FOREVER. That has not happened yet, but will happen when Jesus returns at the second coming. He shall reign over the house of David; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. This tells us this is future and yet to come. There will be a new Jerusalem, the City of God.
Who's we? You cannot speak for the entire Jewish population, because many, many have forund their Messiah in Jesus after searching and being shown the scriptures.
Jewish Christians are Christians not Jews.
His earthly father was Joseph; however Mary, his mother never sexually knew Joseph to beget Jesus. Jesus was born of a virgin Mary, impregnated by the Holy Spirit, and Jesus' father was God.
That made no sense to me when I was 8 and even less now.
Either Jesus was the son of God or of the Davidic line.
You can try to change the rules later, but that will not sway me and explains why most Jews scoffed at any such assertion at the time.
It is written by the prophet Isaiah. 7:14:
Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God is with us).
1. The Hebrew word almah means "young woman" not "virgin".
2. For a marriuage to be proper, the man and woman must consumate the relationship.
3. Are you suggesting that Jesus was born before the Babylonian conquest?
None of the Dead Sea scrolls do anything of the kind.
Do a study of Zelophehad
B'shem Y'shua
chuck
B'shem Y'shua
chuck
That you believe this does not make it true.
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