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Why Jews don't see Easter the way Christians do
The Seattle Times ^ | 3/21/05 | david klinghoffer

Posted on 03/21/2005 1:36:27 PM PST by 1 spark

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To: rmlew
2. He clamed to be of the Davidic line (impossible if his fathe was not Joseph)

What about Miryam(Mary) ?

B'shem Y'shua
chuck

61 posted on 03/23/2005 8:37:45 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: Eastbound
Did Adam and Eve offer up sacrifice?

No. Are you Mormon? I think this is an LDS belief.

62 posted on 03/23/2005 8:58:07 AM PST by malakhi
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To: rmlew

It's documented history. As you say, it doesn't mean anything to you. Because you refuse to believe doesn't make it any less true.

"We see him completely differently."

Who's we? You cannot speak for the entire Jewish population, because many, many have forund their Messiah in Jesus after searching and being shown the scriptures.

His earthly father was Joseph; however Mary, his mother never sexually knew Joseph to beget Jesus. Jesus was born of a virgin Mary, impregnated by the Holy Spirit, and Jesus' father was God.


It is written by the prophet Isaiah. 7:14:

Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God is with us).

This prophecy of the Messiah was fulfilled in Jesus Christ in the Gospel of Luke 1:26,27,30,31

And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth.

To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was JOSEPH, OF THE HOUSE OF DAVID; and the virgin's name was Mary.

And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary for thou has found favour with God.

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.


63 posted on 03/23/2005 8:59:30 AM PST by Daisy4
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To: Daisy4

Oh, so what you are claiming is not that they didn't "know" the prophetic scriptures, but that they (in your belief) "misunderstood" them.


64 posted on 03/23/2005 9:00:08 AM PST by malakhi
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To: Daisy4
Show me where in the Hebrew scriptures that a second coming of the messiah is prophecied.

I don't see how Isaiah 9:7 prophecies a second coming of the messiah.

65 posted on 03/23/2005 9:01:17 AM PST by malakhi
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To: rmlew

After His Resurrection, however, He appeared to his disciples on many occasions, and they believed and knew He was the Messiah and thus they turned the world upside down for Jesus Christ, in fact, dying for Him, beginning in Jerusalem.
And that is a foundation of your faith. It is not proven and means nothing to me.



27,000 documented scrolls found in an old cave near the Dead Sea authenticates the scriptures. The scrolls written of Jesus, called the New Testament, were as recent as 20 years after he lived upon earth. They match up perfectly to the New Testament in the Holy Bible scriptures.


66 posted on 03/23/2005 9:06:40 AM PST by Daisy4
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To: XeniaSt
I would like you to cite the verses in the Torah which contradict the above verses from the Torah.

Here are some links if you are really interested:

http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/explanation02.html

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq042.html

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/j4jlibrary/leviticus1711.html

67 posted on 03/23/2005 9:09:56 AM PST by malakhi
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To: nmh
and they don't like being conncected to His death in any way shape or form.

People typically don't like to be accused of things they didn't do.

68 posted on 03/23/2005 9:12:04 AM PST by malakhi
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To: rogator
How about Flavius Josephus?

He mentions Jesus and James. But some of the details of the passages in question are generally accepted by scholars as being later interpolations.

69 posted on 03/23/2005 9:13:50 AM PST by malakhi
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To: rmlew
He was either a blasphemer and false prophet or the son of God. We see him completely differently.

In my opinion, Christianity as we know it today is largely the creation of Paul. I think the historical Jesus would be shocked at what came to be taught about him.

70 posted on 03/23/2005 9:16:19 AM PST by malakhi
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To: Daisy4
27,000 documented scrolls found in an old cave near the Dead Sea authenticates the scriptures. The scrolls written of Jesus, called the New Testament, were as recent as 20 years after he lived upon earth.

The Dead Sea Scrolls do not contain any "New Testament" writings. Claims that partial fragments of "NT" texts were found have been refuted. The oldest extant, nearly-complete manuscripts of "NT" texts date from centuries after the life of Jesus.

71 posted on 03/23/2005 9:22:05 AM PST by malakhi
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To: malakhi

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Fulfilled in the Gospel of Luke 1:32,33

When Jesus Christ returns (in the not so far off future because of what is happening prophetically in Israel today and to the Jew) he will conquer evil and bring judgment and righteousness to the earth in his new Kingdom on earth FOREVER. That has not happened yet, but will happen when Jesus returns at the second coming. He shall reign over the house of David; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. This tells us this is future and yet to come. There will be a new Jerusalem, the City of God.


72 posted on 03/23/2005 9:22:21 AM PST by Daisy4
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To: Daisy4
Your belief that Jesus is the messiah -- and that his second coming will fulfil the (actual) messianic prophecies in the Hebrew scriptures -- notwithstanding, there is nothing in Isaiah 9:7 that explicitly prophecies a messiah coming a second time.
73 posted on 03/23/2005 9:26:13 AM PST by malakhi
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To: XeniaSt
What about Miryam(Mary)
1. The only Davidic lineage in the NT is given for Joseph in Luke 3:23-38. "Heli, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi . . . the son of Nathan, the son of David"
2. Royal lineage and tribal affiliation is passed through the father.
74 posted on 03/23/2005 9:27:44 AM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: Daisy4
It's documented history. As you say, it doesn't mean anything to you. Because you refuse to believe doesn't make it any less true.
For you, the Gospels are history. For me, they are a religious narrative of another faith.

Who's we? You cannot speak for the entire Jewish population, because many, many have forund their Messiah in Jesus after searching and being shown the scriptures.
Jewish Christians are Christians not Jews.

His earthly father was Joseph; however Mary, his mother never sexually knew Joseph to beget Jesus. Jesus was born of a virgin Mary, impregnated by the Holy Spirit, and Jesus' father was God.
That made no sense to me when I was 8 and even less now.
Either Jesus was the son of God or of the Davidic line.
You can try to change the rules later, but that will not sway me and explains why most Jews scoffed at any such assertion at the time.

It is written by the prophet Isaiah. 7:14:
Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God is with us).

1. The Hebrew word almah means "young woman" not "virgin".
2. For a marriuage to be proper, the man and woman must consumate the relationship.
3. Are you suggesting that Jesus was born before the Babylonian conquest?

75 posted on 03/23/2005 9:36:09 AM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: Daisy4

None of the Dead Sea scrolls do anything of the kind.


76 posted on 03/23/2005 9:37:11 AM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: rmlew
Except for Daughters without Brothers of Fathers who have died.

Do a study of Zelophehad

B'shem Y'shua
chuck

77 posted on 03/23/2005 9:57:09 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: malakhi
Bless you !

B'shem Y'shua
chuck

78 posted on 03/23/2005 9:58:40 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: malakhi
What ever you say ... . LOL!

It was PRE ORDAINED. His people rejected Him and instigated all of it.

Good grief!
79 posted on 03/23/2005 10:00:13 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
It was PRE ORDAINED. His people rejected Him and instigated all of it.

That you believe this does not make it true.

80 posted on 03/23/2005 10:04:00 AM PST by malakhi
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