[nmh]

"Yes, the angel Gabriel just drops in from heaven to literally "Hail" irrelevant beings all the time. The Second Person of the Trinity also performs miracles at the request of any ol' irrelevant human."

Mary and Joseph played an extremely MINOR role. Next you'll be telling me that Mary and Joseph are co-redeemers. The trinity is God. God often performs miracles but not Mary and Joseph.

"You seem pretty irrelevant. Would you mind having our Messiah turn a few gallons of my tap water into good wine. Right now I'm drinking that crappy California jug stuff from the Woodbridge region."

I am "irrelevant" only to those with itching ears. It is JESUS that you should be directing your attention to. Atleast you know He turned water into wine - that's a start.

"The next thing you'll say is that Mary is "dead". I got that one not too long ago."

Mary is up in heaven but she doesn't hear your prayers to her. Mary is dead to us. I only pray to the living God and hope you start to soon.

I am always amazed at the stories created to draw attention AWAY from Christ and how indignant and nasty people become when this is pointed out.

[Desdemona]

Mary and Joseph played an extremely MINOR role.

I'm sorry. Mary is a Jewish mother. There is no way she is irrelevent.

Mary is dead to us.

No one with eternal life is dead to us. Mary has eternal life. She is very much alive.

[AnAmericanMother]

No, Mary and Joseph did not play a "minor role". They cared for Our Saviour and brought him safely to the time when his ministry and salvific work would be complete. He was "subject unto them" at Nazareth, imagine the honor and glory of caring for the Saviour of the world, and the humility and tenderness required to exercise parental authority over him!

The saints are a mirror in which we can begin to fathom our own relationship with Christ. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.