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Be Like Mary
Lent & Beyond ^ | 3/19/2005 | Jill W.

Posted on 03/19/2005 8:30:26 AM PST by sionnsar

John 2:1-12

One does not have to venture far into the Anglican blogosphere to recognize that the dominant discussion is on the House of Bishops’ report. This morning, I was led to turn my eyes to Mary rather than the bishops.

At the wedding in Cana, Mary comes to Jesus, who had not yet performed any public miracles, with a problem–"They have no wine.” She has a childlike trust that Jesus will do something about it–"Do whatever he tells you.” The scripture doesn’t tell us what she did next. I’ve always thought she went back to the party, but I have nothing to base that on except that there is no record of her helping the servants fill the purification jars.

We have a problem in the Anglican church. I think we are being called to a childlike trust that Jesus will do something about it, that the purification jars will be filled, that the wine will be deemed good by the master of the feast, and that Jesus’s glory will be manifest.

Each of the six purification jars held 20 or 30 gallons. It took time and hard labor for the servants to haul that much water from a bucket well. Some of us will be called to be those servants–"Do whatever he tells you.”

All of us will need to be patient but quietly expectant while the purification jars are being filled. The end result? It will be surprisingly good in quality and overabundant in quantity.

Let us be like Mary.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: antiope; apolloandatia; auge; catholic; danae; idolworship; marianity; melanippe; olympiasandzeus; paganvirginmyth
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1 posted on 03/19/2005 8:30:26 AM PST by sionnsar
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2 posted on 03/19/2005 8:30:54 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?)
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To: sionnsar

Better yet, be like Paul... even better, be like Jesus.


3 posted on 03/19/2005 9:06:40 AM PST by irishtenor (Hetero-normative... and proud of it!)
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To: sionnsar
Re: ""Do whatever he tells you.”"

//in whispered tones// swim the tiber
4 posted on 03/19/2005 9:48:46 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: sionnsar
The whole idea behind Christianity is to be CHRIST-like NOT like another sinner, Mary. And people wonder why others do not consider Catholicism, Christian. To be a Christian is to follow Christ; not Mary.
5 posted on 03/19/2005 9:50:53 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Mary leads people to her Son, Jesus. She doesn't seek her own praise, since she is the "handmaid of the Lord."

Ad Jesum per Mariam

6 posted on 03/19/2005 11:00:00 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Pyro7480

The Spirit leads people to Jesus. Period.


7 posted on 03/19/2005 11:07:23 AM PST by irishtenor (Hetero-normative... and proud of it!)
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To: irishtenor

Well said, Biblically speaking ;)


8 posted on 03/19/2005 11:16:07 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: irishtenor

Who said that no one could work with the Spirit? Isn't it Scriptural to say, that Mary was filled with the Spirit?


9 posted on 03/19/2005 11:41:47 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Pyro7480

Yes, but you or I could also be the tool that the Spirit uses. And note: we don't "work with the Spirit", he works within us.


10 posted on 03/19/2005 12:13:11 PM PST by irishtenor (Hetero-normative... and proud of it!)
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To: irishtenor
And note: we don't "work with the Spirit", he works within us.

Actually, both statements are true. The Spirit is God, and we do God's work when we do what He asks us to. When turn from sin, he also works within us to change our lives for the better.

11 posted on 03/19/2005 12:21:14 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Pyro7480

Even when we do good works, it is the Spirit that compells us, it is his work in us, not us working with the Spirit.


12 posted on 03/19/2005 12:47:19 PM PST by irishtenor (Hetero-normative... and proud of it!)
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To: irishtenor; Pyro7480

"Even when we do good works, it is the Spirit that compells us, it is his work in us, not us working with the Spirit"

How spectacularly Western of you! It never ceases to amaze me how far Western Christianity has gone in the past 500 years or so from the understanding of theosis of the early Church as expressed by the Fathers.

"A house roof is held up by the foundations and the rest of the building, and the foundation and the rest of the building are laid to hold the roof - since both are necessary and useful - and neither is the roof built without the foundations and the rest of the house, nor can foundations and walls without roof make a building fit to live in. So it is with the soul: the grace of the Holy Spirit is preserved by keeping the commandments, and the keeping of the commandments is the foundation laid for receiving the gifts of God's grace. Neither does the grace of the Holy Spirit remain in us without our obeying the commandments, nor can obeying the commandments be useful and salutary without Divine grace." St. Symeon the New Theologian


13 posted on 03/19/2005 1:04:21 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis
How spectacularly Western of you!

When you say "Western," don't you mean "Protestant?" ;-)

St. Francis de Sales, a Doctor of the Roman Catholic Church, describes in his Introduction to the Devout Life on how to prepare for meditation or prayer. This consists in placing yourself in the presence of God, and invoking His assistance. He describes "four principal means" for placing yourself in the presence of God. The second way that he lists is "to remember that He (God) is not only in the place where you are but also that He is present in a most particular manner in your hear and in the very center of your spirit. He enlivens and animates it by His divine presence, for He is there as the heart of your heart and spirit of your spirit." Just as St. Symeon states, this indwelling, also known as Sanctifying Grace, is preserved only by keeping the commandments.

14 posted on 03/19/2005 1:18:45 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Pyro7480

"When you say "Western," don't you mean "Protestant?" ;-)"

Sort of! ;-) Actually, Eastern Christian pneumatology is somewhat more developed than in the West where the Neo Platonists got a hold of it.


15 posted on 03/19/2005 1:40:24 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Wow! That was so over my head, I didn't even feel a breeze when it whizzed by. What is pneumatology & who (or what) are the Neo Patonists?


16 posted on 03/19/2005 10:20:13 PM PST by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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To: torqemada

"Wow! That was so over my head, I didn't even feel a breeze when it whizzed by. What is pneumatology & who (or what) are the Neo Patonists?"

Pneumatology is the theology of the Holy Spirit. As it developed in the East, it is absolutely vital to an understanding of Christology, including the Incarnation, and explains why that old bugaboo the filioque controversy is so very important. Neo-Platonism was a school of philiosophy which many in the East and the West sought to reconcile with Christianity. In the East, the great theologian St. Gregory Palamas essentially defeated it but in the West it had great influence on scholasticism and in many ways determined the way the West does theology, especially in the area of the essence and energies of God.


17 posted on 03/20/2005 4:29:33 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Pyro7480

"The second way that he lists is "to remember that He (God) is not only in the place where you are but also that He is present in a most particular manner in your hear and in the very center of your spirit. He enlivens and animates it by His divine presence, for He is there as the heart of your heart and spirit of your spirit." Just as St. Symeon states, this indwelling, also known as Sanctifying Grace, is preserved only by keeping the commandments."

This passage seems to point up a difference between Eastern Christian and Western Christian thought. +Francis speaks of God as being "present" in the heart. +Symeon the New Theologian speaks of the "grace of the Holy Spirit" being present. The distinction between essence and energies may seem a fine one, but to disregard it (and maybe +Francis really isn't disreagrding it at all, just using terminology which would lead one to believe he is)frankly has vast consequences for Christology, the nature of the Trinity and creation itself.


18 posted on 03/20/2005 5:24:13 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Thank you for the explanation. Clearly, I need to do a whole lot more reading.


19 posted on 03/20/2005 6:16:40 AM PST by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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To: torqemada

"Thank you for the explanation. Clearly, I need to do a whole lot more reading."

Be sure when you read the Fathers, you pray both before and after. And suspend whatever scholastic preconceptions you might have. Eastern and Western theology are very, very different from each other. And you are very welcome.


20 posted on 03/20/2005 6:22:44 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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