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To: jo kus
That's the talk of 1600 years of revisionists that have a church property to protect.

Now I know that you read what you wrote in a commentary or something similar -- Saint Basil has over 250 letters and it took me over 8 hours to read them and get a lot of those quotes

In the early letter he is fighting against Arianism which was huring specifically the eastern churches and he says so but look up and re-read the quotes particularly to the bishop of Antioch to save the church and the one about the anti-christ

The commentaries writer say Basil uses uses hyperbole -- he exagerates -- that is to say he lies -- that is to say he words don't mean crap -- that is to say we will tell you what he he means ignore his words.

Use the same standards as those on FR don't read synoptic source documents about other documents I have given you many of the letter numbers -- to me about the anti-christ one other any of the later ones after the arian problem was solved in his letters and them tell me what he is talking about.

46 posted on 03/07/2005 11:51:41 AM PST by Rocketman
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To: Rocketman

You may not know that St. John Chrysostom is a Doctor of the Catholic Church... and he taught that the real presence of Jesus Christ (body, blood and divinity) is present in the consecrated Eucharist. His very words are still used by the Catholic priests in the Mass today.


51 posted on 03/07/2005 12:16:20 PM PST by american colleen
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To: Rocketman

"Now I know that you read what you wrote in a commentary or something similar -- Saint Basil has over 250 letters and it took me over 8 hours to read them..."

Basil's letters are available at the CCEL website, and since you kindly listed your source, (no sarcasm, I appreciate it) I was able to read the entire letter 61, which is short. I didn't need to read all 250. I happen to have some knowledge of the Arian heresy, and that Athanasius was the chief orthodox opponent of it. It is surprising that Basil would write to him and give him support?

"The commentaries writer say Basil uses hyperbole -- he exagerates -- that is to say he lies -- that is to say he words don't mean crap -- that is to say we will tell you what he he means ignore his words".

I disagree with this logic. Hyperbole or exaggeration is not synonomous with lying. You go too far...

Otherwise, explain Jesus Himself using it "...If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be thrown into hell..." Mt 5:29.

Is Jesus then a liar, too, and that "...his words don't mean crap...", as you state?

Regards


136 posted on 03/08/2005 5:26:10 AM PST by jo kus
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