Posted on 03/07/2005 10:01:29 AM PST by Cato1
Now the Roman Catholic churches are empty. Now no one believes in the ritual of the Mass.The church is growing, however. For Jesus proclaimed that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. With the focus on ritual, robes, golden chalices, a dead Christ on a crucifix and other artifacts, many based their faith in religious trappings and ceremony - believing in things - rather than the living Christ. But Jesus Christ remains the same yesterday, today, and forever, Amen.
If the Roman Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ upon Peter should die for any reason much less those you allege, it will certainly be a great surprise to Jesus Christ Who guaranteed to be with the Church all das even unto the end of the world. Jesus probably isn't surprised very often.
That may well be the Jack Chick Classic Comix version of Church history but no ratuional person with any sense of history or knowledge takes the likes of Jack Chick any more seriously than one would take the Tales of Maria Monk or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Jack Chick is an example of the terminally ignorant leading the terminally ignorant. As a religious observer, Chick has chosen well his medium--the comic book--which very accurately reflects the depth of his analysis.
My Church seats about 600 people.At yesterday's 9:30 Sunday mass all seat were taken.In fact we had about 100 people as usual at today's weekly 9am mass followed by a Bible study group of 35.
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I believe that he, "ninenot" and "Robert Drobot" were given a little spell in the cooler.
So the stuff in Jeck T. Chicks track stand.
Months ago I discussedthis same theng with several FR Catholic heavies and one was furious that A catholic would expose theri dirty laundry to a protestant
In so doing he unwittingly admitted all this was true.
Pope Gregory could not have said and did what he did unless what stain basil said indeed happened and the church was indeed overrun and went down from that point their own man- made path.
By the way you do know that the "pre-pope" and all the bishops of rome were rounded up and executed in 256 AD and that one of your said was given the task to give away its scrolls tand givie out its banks to the poor the man was also arrested and executed a week later
So the sucession stopped there -- and its accounts are all certified by the catholic church
Thank you for your ad hominem attack.
I admit I am ignorant.
Without Christ, I am nothing.
Please pardon my ignorance.
Please enlighten me, however, where I have erred.
It was the writer of your post, not me, who asserted the churches are empty, that noone believes in the Mass anymore.
Could you provide link(s) please?
The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops. --St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople (347-407)
Or try this . . .
almost all the bishops of the Latin Church fell into heresy, forced by violence or deceived by guile. It was like a fog fallen upon the spirits and hiding which road to take. In order to be safe from this contagious plague, the true disciples of Christ had to prefer the ancient beliefs rather than all the false novelties. --St. Vincent of Lerins (ca. 400-ca. 450)
And pray tell what ancient stuff are they speaki of following -- stuff before Constantine and the last 2-3 popes look at the dates. Is this guy a better jusge of heresy that maybe sonmeone say 1600 years after the fact?
When a foulness invades the whole Church..., we must return to the Church of the past. Vincent of Lerins (ca. 400-ca. 450)
I apologize, I did overreact to your post. I tire of non Catholics chiming in on Catholic threads making irrelevant comments. I'm sure you didn't even realize what you were doing.
There are a few non Catholic freepers who like to troll Catholic threads and interject their uninformed point of view, or condemnations of the Catholic Church. I know there may be some Catholics who do the same on Protestant threads, but I don't.
One catholic site I'm reading was they were taken in the catacombs
the emperor was valerian
In this persecution Christian Rome and Carthage lost their leaders: Pope Sixtus was seized on 6 August, 258, in one of the Catacombs and was put to death;
The other saint that handed out the scrolls and money is the saint of bankers -- I'm still looking.
Just noticed that the article is from 1978... hard to believe more than 25 years ago! I'll wager that the Latin Mass was still a fairly recent memory in those polled at that time but today it'd probably be different.
"St. Basil the Great regarding the fall of the Church of Rome. The majority of so called beleivers don't study their own church history and instead go by the revisionism that is currently taught."
So you must have heard about something called Arianism, right? That St. Basil uses hyperbole to describe that many Catholics in the East (it was not a major problem in the West) were being won over by Arius is no surprise. However, if you read some more, you will find that both Basil and Athanasius found allies in Pope Sylvester and the enemy at Constantinople and in the East. If you will recall, the Council of Nicea declared Arius a heretic, and the rot that St. Basil spoke of came to an end. Your conclusion does not follow. And all of your quotes taken out of context merely say that the Church was in trouble due to Arianism. It did not fall, as we see it remaining still today.
Regards
There are better accounts that specifically say who was taken but here it is
One day when Pope Sixtus was giving a talk to the faithful, the police broke in, arrested Sixtus and his chief clerics, and carried them off to the prefect. On this occasion they do not seem to have bothered about the lay people. According to tradition, the touching scene between St. Sixtus and his chief deacon, St. Lawrence, occurred at this time. Lawrence was absent when the police made their swoop. On hearing the news, he hastened to meet the Pope and asked him, "Where are you going, father, without your son? Where are you going, O priest, without your deacon?" Pope Sixtus replied, "My son, you I am not abandoning. Greater strife awaits you. Stop weeping; you will follow me in three days" (Paul Allard, Les dernieres persecutions du troisieme siecle, p. 91). And so it happened. The police pounced on St. Lawrence and put pressure on him to deliver up the treasures of the Church. St. Lawrence agreed to lead the prefect to the treasures, and since the reserve money of the Church had been distributed to the poor, Lawrence, even as Cornelia pointed to her children as her jewels, pointed to the poor as the Church treasure. The prefect was disappointed. Lawrence met death like a hero.
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