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Anglican Church of Canada Told to Make a Choice [Venables lays down the law]
VirtueOnline-News ^ | 3/05/2005 | Cheryl Change, the Anglican Network in Canada

Posted on 03/05/2005 4:38:32 PM PST by sionnsar

Main Entry: pri'mate
Pronunciation: *pr*-*m*t or esp for 1 -m*t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English primat, from Old French, from Medieval Latin primat-, primas archbishop, from Latin, leader, from primus
Date: 13th century

1 often capitalized : a bishop who has precedence in a province, group of provinces, or a nation
2 archaic : one first in authority or rank : LEADER

3 [New Latin Primates, from Latin, plural of primat-, primas] : any of an order (Primates) of mammals comprising humans, apes, monkeys, and related forms (as lemurs and tarsiers)
-pri'mate-ship \-*ship\ noun
--pri-ma'tial \pr*-*m*-sh*l\ adjective

TOPICS: Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: anglicanchurch; canada
Canadian Anglicans must choose between being a member of the global Anglican Communion or becoming a stand alone church, says Primate from the Anglican Communion.

by Cheryl Change
For the Anglican Network in Canada

VANCOUVER (3/4/2005)--One of the Anglican world's most senior archbishops told a large Vancouver audience that the Anglican Church of Canada must either stick to the majority Anglican teaching on human sexuality, or cease to belong to the Anglican Communion.

The Most Rev'd Gregory Venables, Primate (senior archbishop) of the Southern Cone (South America), made his remarks only days after he and thirty-four other Primates issued a joint statement asking the Anglican Church of Canada and the Episcopal Church in the United States to withdraw from a key Anglican body until 2008.

Speaking to an audience of 500 Anglicans at St. John's Shaughnessy Anglican Church, Archbishop Venables called the Primates' joint statement "significant". Archbishop Venables was here at the invitation of the Anglican Network in Canada (the Network), a group representing Canadian orthodox Anglicans who wish to remain an integral part of the global Anglican Communion. The Archbishop has supported the Network internationally since August 2004.

The 2002 decision in the Diocese of New Westminster to sanction the blessing of same sex unions, along with the November 2003 decision in the United States to consecrate as bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire a homosexual man living in a same sex relationship, sparked unprecedented division throughout the 77-million-member communion.

"What we have said as Primates is that Anglican teaching on human sexuality has not changed" says Archbishop Venables, based in Argentina. "Those (churches) teaching something different are not teaching Anglican doctrine. If they continue to do this, they must consider their future in the Anglican Communion."

The Primates unanimously requested that the Anglican Church of Canada and the Episcopal Church in the United States of America withdraw their representatives from the Anglican Consultative Council until the 2008 Lambeth Conference. The Anglican Consultative Council is the international body that governs the work of the Communion in between the decennial Lambeth conferences. Archbishop Venables said this request is a most significant step.

The Archbishop of Canterbury has also been asked "as a matter of urgency" to set up a, "panel of reference" to oversee the "adequacy" of alternate pastoral care being extended to groups or parishes which desire to remain within the Anglican Communion and are in serious theological dispute with their local diocesan bishops or Province. The Network invited Archbishop Venables to speak and provide clarification of the Primates' communiqué and to ask how orthodox Canadian Anglicans should apply to this Panel of Reference for the protection described in paragraph 15 of the communiqué.

During this past week, the Network and Essentials Council met to discuss the implications of the clear choice which has been put before the Canadian church and how they might assist orthodox Canadian Anglicans in light of the seriousness of the Primates' communiqué.

Bishop Donald Harvey, Moderator of the Network, said the Anglican Network in Canada will assist orthodox Anglicans in Canada with their application to the Panel of Reference and he expressed gratitude for Archbishop Venables' visit. He felt Archbishop Venables clarified the Primates' statement and explained clearly what orthodox Canadian Anglicans must do if they wish to apply to the Panel for the protection of their "integrity and legitimate needs" in Canada.

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1 posted on 03/05/2005 4:38:37 PM PST by sionnsar
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2 posted on 03/05/2005 4:39:29 PM PST by sionnsar (†† || Iran Azadi || Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?)
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[Seems the Global South is now engaged in making things crytal clear. From VirtueOnline-Newss again: --sionnsar]

Episcopal Church is Suspended by Anglican Communion

by Michael J. McManus

The words of the "Primates of the Anglican Communion,"were courteous and veiled in their meaning. "We request that the Episcopal Church (USA) and the Anglican Church of Canada voluntarily withdraw their members from the Anglican Consultative Council" until 2008.

To be asked to "voluntarily withdraw" from the Anglican Communion is a "polite way to suspend them from the Communion," as Archbishop Benjamin Nzimbi of Kenya put it.

Why? "There remains a very real question about whether the North American churches are willing to accept the same teaching on matters of sexual morality as is generally accepted elsewhere in the Communion," as the Primates delicately stated the issue. The leaders of 77 million Anglicans shudder to even describe the practices which they find so offensive.

The statement mutes the abhorrence felt by most Anglican bishops around the world at the U.S. consecration of V. Gene Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire though he is a divorced, non-celibate homosexual. In 1998 by a stunning vote of 527-69 Anglican bishops opposed "legitimatizing or blessing same sex unions" and "ordaining those involved in same gender unions."

Both Canadian Anglicans and American Episcopalians violate those injunctions by using carefully crafted rituals to bless same-sex unions and ordain gay clergy.

The Anglican Primates, Archbishops who oversee Anglican churches in scores of countries, have given U.S. and Canadian Churches three years to stop these practices and express contrition, or they will be expelled from the Anglican Commnion.

"The accused have been given a long rope to hang themselves," Archbishop Bernard Malango of Central Africa told David Virtue, who authors a widely read website,

Rev. David Roseberry, Rector of Christ Church in Plano, TX, the largest Episcopal Church in attendance (2,200 on Sundays) considers the outcome "miraculous," in part because the "Global South is now leading the Anglican Communion. This is where the life and vitality of the church now is. How incredible that God would give them the courage and the strength to take a strong stand."

The "Global South" refers to Latin American and African Anglicans who vastly outnumber white northern Episcopalians and Anglicans. Nigeria's 18 million Anglicans are six times that of Canada and the U.S. Africans are far more orthodox in their Christian belief, and are now standing up to their historic colonial masters, and demanding their fidelity to Scripture, if they are to remain in communion.

"It was such a wonderful way of putting the Episcopal Church in its place, as if to say to a child, 'You go to your room and think about what you have done. If you want to join the family again, recognize that there are rules, serious rules. We do have boundaries,'" asserts Roseberry.

Another reason the outcome is miraculous is that the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, ordained a practicing homosexual as Primate of Wales. However, he was not chosen to lead the Anglican Communion by his fellow Primates, but by British Prime Minister Tony Blair and the Queen, an historical anomaly that began when King Henry VIII severed relations with the Catholic Church and set up a separate Anglican Communion to approve his divorce.

However, Archbishop Williams set aside his own leanings on the gay issue, and now says of Canada and America, "Someone is going to have to say, 'Yes, we were wrong.'"

Why? He faced a real prospect that Global South Primates would pull out of the Anglican Communion and create their own, clustered around Archbishop Peter Akinola of Nigeria, who asserts, "Our prayers do not have to go through Canterbury to get to God."

Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church Frank Griswold participated in the elevation of Bishop Robinson only days after signing a statement he would abide by traditional biblical standards of sexuality at a 2004 Primates meeting. He is such an anathema to other Primates for his moral apostasy that for the first time in centuries they did not receive Communion together.

However, the Primates were gracious in their suspension of the Canadian and American churches, giving them three years to consider "the principle of inter-dependence" which was breeched.

But the warning is clear. If a national church goes against the historic Christian teaching that sex belongs within marriage, it will be expelled from the Communion.

Will the Episcopal Church express contrition and mend its ways? That is highly unlikely. The Episcopal House of Bishops meets in two weeks. I doubt it will reverse course.

Griswold said afterwards "I can't imagine a conversation saying we got it wrong."

END TXT Copyright 2005 Michael J. McManus

3 posted on 03/05/2005 4:42:59 PM PST by sionnsar (†† || Iran Azadi || Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?)
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Two other articles of which I know you're aware but others may not be:

BTW & constructively, if you were looking for views of your post(s) and participation in the subsequent thread, you likely didn't facilitate same by clogging up the beginning as you did. Links might have worked better - IMHO. - G.
4 posted on 03/05/2005 5:30:12 PM PST by GMMAC (lots of terror cells in Canada - I'll be waving my US flag when the Marines arrive!)
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I know. I'm looking for a better way to address the issue, but experience says that if I don't define "Primate" right up front the thread gets all sorts of ape pictures from FReepers who don't give a rip about the issues but who want to be "cute" -- or whose vocabularies are really just that deficient.

5 posted on 03/05/2005 5:43:23 PM PST by sionnsar (†† || Iran Azadi || Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?)
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