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[CatQuilt]

"Such is an illustration of how the Cultural/Sexual Revolution influenced – perhaps “infected” would be a better term – a number of Church officials who seemingly let sexual deviants into the priesthood. Indeed, one could even say that deviancy was promoted at certain seminaries. Catholic author Michael S. Rose, in his 2002 book Goodbye! Good Men, quotes Father John Trigilio about an incident at the seminary in the 1980’s"

I'm reading this book right now. It's an excellent read...starts off slow and makes the same point over and over but it has an important perspective. We need to know how we got to where we are in order to combat the non-traditionalists.

[Land of the Irish]

Everything considered, however, it makes more sense to blame the crisis in the Church on the widespread cultural and moral decay instead of on Vatican II itself.

To Matt Abbott,

"Why can't you blame both?"

[AlbionGirl]

, it is all too apparent that the decline in key aspects of the Catholic Church in the U.S. were due, directly and indirectly, to the zeitgeist: specifically, the Cultural/Sexual Revolution of the 1960s, which had its roots in the Enlightenment. Essentially, the corrupt clergy and laity in the Church have been infected, to varying degrees, by the very worst elements of society. Of course, this is no way absolves their misbehavior and, in some cases, outright criminal activity. If anything, they should know better. Everything considered, however, it makes more sense to blame the crisis in the Church on the widespread cultural and moral decay instead of on Vatican II itself.

You know, you would think these people were the first to fall prey to the very worst elements of society, the way it's being protrayed here.

The 60s crowd was no less inately moral than any generation that preceeded it. It was afforded a greater opportunity to chase the immoral because everyone had a lot of time on their hands, that previously had to be used for mere existence or subsitence. That was part and parcel of this great economic expansion.

Had the Church remained firm in her committment to tell it like it is, always with open arms for her prodigal children, perhaps when the hippies came back to her after they'd taken their share of the fortune, wandered far, wide and dissatisfied, and found the Open Arms of the same Father, the current seemingly irreparable ditch could have been avoided. But you can't tell bureaucratic eggheads anything.

[thor76]

Ugggh......please......no more Zeigeist!

I had some for dinner last night, along with a big side helping of Praxis, and a drink of Diversity.

My system will never be the same.