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To: kosta50
So, accordingly anger is never justified? At the risk of disagreeing with greater minds than mine, that doesn't seem entirely correct.

I think there is a such a thing as righteous anger, and that such an anger can be good. How does one justifiy defense of their own life, otherwise? Isn't it anger that is roused when one sees the strong oppressing the weak? Wasn't it anger, at least in some measure, that led to any just war?

Maybe I'm not understanding what he's really getting at, and it's not that I don't think chronic, distended anger doesn't smother your soul, but I don't think anger is always bad or even destructive.

4 posted on 03/04/2005 5:29:15 AM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: AlbionGirl
...you should make yourself a stranger to all sinful anger and wrath.

I believe your point may be addressed here by making a distinction of sinful anger versus the righteous anger to which you referred.

5 posted on 03/04/2005 6:00:23 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: AlbionGirl; Kolokotronis
I don't have time to look up the exact quotations, and it has been a while since I have read the source texts, but the answers to the whole "anger" question are in St. Isaac of Syria, and many others of the Fathers.

Traditional Orthodox anthropology divides the powers of the soul into three faculties. One of these faculties is known as the "incensive" faculty (can't remember the Greek term.)

Each of the three faculties is proper to our nature, and has a way that it was intended to be used. Each has been corrupted by the fall.

The negative, fallen application of our incensive faculty is anger and hatred. It is directed at others, and sometimes at ourselves. it is always sinful.

The positive application or manifestation of the incensive faculty is manifested in our fervor and zeal to avoid sin, and in our willingness and determination to mortify our own flesh -- through fasting, standing, and keeping vigil at prayer -- in order to bring our souls and bodies into right order and into communion with God. As the Scripture says, "the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."

This violence is not directed at others -- but at our own sinful nature and weakness. It is like the marathon runner pushing on mile after mile in spite of weather, pain, and fatigue...

I'll try to find some of the source texts where this is discussed. It is really useful in gaining an understanding of the Orthodox mind.

20 posted on 03/04/2005 1:24:59 PM PST by Agrarian
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To: AlbionGirl
I think there is a such a thing as righteous anger

+Paul reminds us that none of us is righteous. Sin cannot be corrected with sin. If we do what our nature demands it is sin. We can hate the sin but not the sinner. Forgiveness is a commandment, which should come from our hearts.

We live in a fallen world where conflict is imposed upon us but others or by our own pride and arrogance. We find ourselves outraged or pushed to do things that are inherently wrong -- and we do it as a greater or lesser evil but evil nonetheless.

51 posted on 03/06/2005 1:19:57 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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