[franky]

Opinions?

Do we really know what LUMEN GENTIUM means?

Is this an objective view?

[Tantumergo]

"Do we really know what LUMEN GENTIUM means?"

Sure, its simple Latin:

Lumen = light
Gentium = peoples/nations/humanity

ergo Lumen gentium = Light of humanity.

"Is this an objective view"

Only if one starts with the premise that it is a coherent text in conformity with Catholic Tradition and free from ambiguity, false philosophical presuppositions and inherent contradictions.

If one tends to the view that this latter state of affairs is not the case, then one could agree that LG has indeed been subverted, but one might propose that the seeds of its subversion are to be found in the text itself.

The inexorable working out of that subversion is the inevitable consequence of the modernist paradigm in which much of the document is framed.

[eastsider]

Of the many images of the Church set forth in Lumen Gentium (e.g., Church as Mystery; Church as Universal Sacrament of Salvation; Church as People of God; Church as Body of Christ; Church as Eucharistic Communion), the one that the Council sets forth first (Chapter I) is Church as Mystery. We can speak with moral certainty of the Church's existence and life, but we will never comprehend Her.

IMO, all misunderstanding of Lumen Gentium results from seizing upon one particular image -- such as People of God -- to the exclusion of the others and without reference to the divine radical unity of the images.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

from the article: The disorders which have plagued the Church since the Council all stem from the fact that the conciliar decrees, very general in nature, were set forth without much regard for the cultural context of the times, ironic in view of the earnest desire of so many people precisely to “read the signs of the times.” The decrees were issued with no suspicion that the entire Western world was about to be engulfed in a major cultural crisis, assaulting its most fundamental beliefs, and that in such a situation the conciliar decrees, perfectly orthodox in themselves, perfectly in harmony with Tradition, would be given contentious interpretations.

Brilliant.