Posted on 02/26/2005 7:55:08 PM PST by lrslattery
It may have escaped your notice that the lay board has total control of the finances - monies from the parishioners who do not necessarily agree with total lay board control... where's the checks and balances on that?
From this all Christians should learn to be obedient to the commandments of God and of the Church. God has united life or death, blessing or malediction with obedience or disobedience to His commandments, and the Bible (I Kings 15:22) shows that obedience pleases God more than sacrifices or the fat of rams, and that He despises disobedience as He does witchcraft and idolatry.
We must be obedient to the Church, because Christ Himself with His holy Spirit lives in her, and governs her, and has said: Who hears not the Church, let him be to thee a heathen and a publican, therefore, shut out from eternal life.
We must be obedient to our parents, because they are placed over us by God, and we are indebted to them, under Him, for life and many benefits. Those children who do not assist their parents when they are old, poor, and helpless, or are ashamed of them, have reason to be afraid, since even Christ Jesus, the God-Man, was obedient and subject in all things to His poor mother, and to a humble mechanic who was only His foster-father.
Cursed be he that honoreth not his father and mother (Deut. 27:16); how much more cursed those who despise, deride and abandon their parents? Their eyes will one day be picked out by ravens (Prov. 30:17). If God commanded obstinate and disobedient children to be stoned (Dent. 21:20), what do those not deserve who even strike or abuse their parents?
Source, The Church's Year by Fr. Leonard Goffine
What does collegiality have to do with obedience?
Further, the comments with respect to Mahony and Cawcutt are irrelevent in this discussion (I would, nonetheless, agree that their actions are despicable and they should be cut free from the Church, but God has not granted that power to me).
I wonder what you and others would think of the man who suggests this:
To keep ourselves right in all things, we ought to hold fast to this principle: What I see as white, I will believe to be black if the hierarchical Church thus determines it. For we believe that between Christ our Lord, the Bridegroom, and the Church, his Spouse, there is the one same Spirit who governs and guides us for the salvation of our souls. For it is by the same Spirit and Lord of ours who gave the ten commandments that our holy Mother Church is guided and governed.
http://www.saveststans.com/news_07_18_04.html
Polish church expects to continue traditions
By Aisha Sultan
Of the Post-Dispatch
Sunday, Jul. 18 2004
It sounded like a mix-up in the hymnals.
The band played the frolicking tune of "It's a Small World," while the choir
sang, "Alleluia, Praise the Lord."
This year's event, held Sunday, could have been bittersweet given the church's
feud with the Archdiocese of St. Louis. Archbishop Raymond Burke has threatened
to pull the church's priest if the church board doesn't comply with his demands
to change its independent structure.
But the Mass and the picnic afterward were festive and upbeat, largely because
no one seemed to believe that this could be the last polka.
"They can take the priest," said parishioner Marek Parafiniuk, 27, of
Brentwood. "We won't give up the parish. The people will still be here."
Debbie Turek Walde, 47, who drove from Washington, Mo., for the Mass, agreed.
What's your point? The Pope is fond of polka masses.
How do you know the pope is fond of 'polka Masses'?
Thanks for making my point. Cardinal Mahoney is a representative, in good standing, of the present hierachial Church.
It certainly is! And, for those, concerned with a strange or odd sense of "orthodoxy", it's Pre-Vatican II, to boot.
As you probably already know, the rules of St. Ignatius should be observed to foster the true attitude of mind we ought to have in the Church Militant.
The First Rule: With all judgment of our own put aside, we ought to keep our minds ever ready and prompt to obey in all things in the true Spouse of Christ our Lord, our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church.
Notice, he did not say in things of a doctrinal nature only, but in ALL things, including disciplinary matters. Even if one were to be burderned with a bishop such as those named above (Mahony, Cawcutt), it must be seen as an opportunity to offer glory to God, in humility and docility by one's obedience, however distasteful. (This not not mean that one could not still write letters of complaint to the Holy See).
"In 1983 Fr. Perkovich and the Polka Massters had the experience of a lifetime, celebrating the Polka Mass on the high altar of St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican for Pope John Paul II. The Pope commended and encouraged Fr. Perkovich in his endeavors with the Polka Mass and was pleased to accept a recording of the Mass."
Does that apply to Cawcutt's altar boys?
Obeying a bishop's command to sin is not an oppurtunity to offer glory to God.
Just to be clear, as you have pointed out, obedience extends to lawful commands only.
The late pastor of the local N.O. parish insisted on counting the collections by himself. No one ever knew the details of parish finances.
He took a lot of trips. He also was a frequent visitor to the Indian gaming casinos.
"If anyone preach a gospel to you other than that which you have received, let him be anathema!" Gal. I, 9
Thanks so much for that. I had forgotten about this. I now have it bookmarked! Thanks again.
That's fine by me but I figured you'd think Polka Masses were akin to Mariachi Masses or Folk Masses (I find all three silly but it's just a change in the music and not in the Mass itself) and evidence of further corruption of the Novus Ordo. I'd a thought you would think that St. Stan's was aiding and abetting modernism and that it wouldn't be a bad thing if it closed.
Did anyone ever approach him about parish finances or did they just whisper behind his back?
I really don't care what you "figure" or "think" about me.
Go analyze somebody else.
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