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Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams. "... did you note.... how even that warning is going to be ignored? They're very likely to show up uninvited, which will just provoke things further."
Exactly. Truer words were never spoken. Jan Nunley gave a clue to this yesterday (she is the spokesperson for the Episcopal News Service). She said they will "consider" withdrawing. In their arrogance, they have yet to even so much as agree to do what the Primates have requested. In my mind, there is a lot of doubt as to whether they ever will either.
"Archbishop Hutchison said, however, that although he was not surprised by the request that Canada "voluntarily withdraw" from the Council, he had argued "passionately" against it in the meeting. In the end, he said, something had to give. "There wasn't enough giving. We were trying to reconcile the irreconcilables."
http://anglicanjournal.com/extra/news.php?newsItem=2005-02-25_mns.news
"We were trying to reconcile the irreconcilables." Was that a Freudian slip?
Defenders of the Catholic Church!!
TAKE NOTICE: AS THE ANGLICANS GO SO GOES THE NOVUS ORDO!!
This has been the case and this therefore will continue to be the case. "As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be" to quote a very hauntingly, timely phrase!!
"“I see no reason to call a moratorium,” Orris Walker, bishop of the diocese of Long Island, told Reuters."
He will when there is no money left to pay his overinflated salary.
Sounds like within 24 hours the majority of the Primates have the answer they gave the American and Canadian churches three months to answer. The arrogance and stubborness and destructiveness of many Canadian and American bishops is startling, if not totally expected. Let the schism begin!
Comment by James — 2/26/2005 @ 8:49 am
James, you sound like schism is good news and you are happy about it.
It is tragic.
Comment by fredt — 2/26/2005 @ 8:50 am
Fredt: I’m not happy about it. Just realistic. Clearly, and the early responses of bishops in Canada and American bear this out, there will be NO moratorium on any apostasy and conversely, and hopefully, no moratorium on off-shore intervention by faithful, Scriptually honest bishops. I don’t celebrate schism, but I know it when I see it.
Comment by James — 2/26/2005 @ 8:58 am
Fredt,
It’s not schism, it’s discipline, a mark of the true Church. And, yes, I am overjoyed. It means that God has had mercy on the Anglican Communion; that the AC will remain a viable option for faithful Christians.
Comment by Matt Kennedy+ — 2/26/2005 @ 9:05 am
#1 says: “Sounds like within 24 hours the majority of the Primates have the answer they gave the American and Canadian churches three months to answer” -
I don’t see anything about threemonths in the Primates’ communiuque - that was a Virtue report, n’est pas? Where do the Primates call for a response within three months? Ami I missing something - It appears to me ECUSA has three years un til Lambeth 2008 eben though suspended from ACC during that time.
Comment by Robbie Brown — 2/26/2005 @ 9:42 am
The three months was in reference to the June ACC meeting in which the American and Canadian churches will not be active members but invited to explain the innovations they have made with scriptures. Without an explanation that satisfies the primates, I believe the issue will be resolved. Does anyone believe that the Americans or Canadians will ever vote to repent or reverse their decisions. The matter, frankly, has already been decided. We’re just holding off to pull the plug.
Comment by James — 2/26/2005 @ 9:46 am
I guess I could shorten that up to: No convincing explanation in June. No Peace.
Comment by James — 2/26/2005 @ 9:50 am
#6 - I see your point on the three months. But it seems to me ECUSA is being given a homework project, to justify their actions, abn to pesnt this at ACC in June. But, after that, and not until 2008 is there anything that ocurs that will in which deliberations are held to receive ECUSA arguments. Do you think the ACC in June will take some enforcement action at that time? maybe so, hopefully so. If not, it seems to me that an orthodox parish within a liberal parish in limbo - what do we do now? And, I personally am not enthralled with the Primates recommendation regarding AEO - I’ve seen that before - as someone said, it’s the mouse asking the cat for permission. And, the Communion admits they have no power to enforce AEO within a Province, only to monitor the process.
Comment by Robbie Brown — 2/26/2005 @ 10:02 am
Dear Robbie Brown: As one who is already in an American parish under the Rwanda bishop, I too am concerned abuot the oversight issue. I guess, as I mentioned in a post elsewhere, that the already uncompromising statements from a number of American and Canadian bishops might make the whole new communique obsolete before the month is out. If a moratorium is not established and if same-sex blessings continue in North America, I can see a situation where the African primates will say, “all bets are off” and the cross boundary oversight will continue unabated. Anyway, that’s my prayer.
Comment by James — 2/26/2005 @ 10:11 am
Bp. Walker of Long Island says, “we have work to do and we’ll proceed.”
This is a common line of argument by ECUSA’s revisionist leaders: that they are busy doing God’s work and can’t let orthodox believers’ concerns distract them.
This begs the question: What work does Bp. Walker do?
He evidently:
— closes parishes and sells their buildings, even in places ripe for church-planting;
— dismisses or blocks the appointment of capable clergy, http://titusonenine.classicalanglican.net/index.php?p=1762;
— reinstated a priest who reportedly “participated in sexual orgies in churches while wearing religious vestments, imported young men from Brazil for sexual purposes and then ‘married’ one of them,” http://www.americananglican.org/News/News.cfm?ID=527&c=21,
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/andries.html.
Bp. Walker has been busy. But what work does he do?
Comment by Irenaeus — 2/26/2005 @ 10:15 am
Note who got the last word in the article. That’s Reuters!
What I really wonder is what happens when the North Americans show up and drop their usual load of junk science, half-baked sociology, and arrogant self-aggrandizement on the ACC. What happens when the 4th instrument of unity joins the other 3 in rejection heresy?
Comment by Ken — 2/26/2005 @ 10:15 am
Dear Ken: Then Frank will have yet another opportunity to announce that he will prayerfully consider his regret over what the rest of us the great unwashed can’t understand. He will spin it again that he is far ahead of the spiritual curve and will move on with same-sex marriage. That will drive yet another 10 percent of the church out, but many of the frozen chosen will remain for the eventual funeral. God give strength to the faithful primates to withstand the coming assault
Comment by James — 2/26/2005 @ 10:21 am
“No reason to call a moratorium?” That the Primates of the Anglican Communion have requested a moratorium is no reason? ECUSA liberal arrogance continues.
Comment by Wannabe (Newbie?) Anglican — 2/26/2005 @ 10:27 am