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To: donbosco74
"...what exactly are the loopholes that would permit homosexuals to come pouring into the Church legally...?"

I was speaking specifically about the article, I assume you read in whole as I did. After all you posted it.

Perhaps I didn't make my question clear. What exactly about the new document that is due out this fall has the authors panties in a bunch. He apparently thinks it is an open invitation for homosexuals to enter seminaries and be ordained. He thinks this so forcefully that he wants us to write letters to the Pope and all the hierarchy.

The only thing is, I don't understand where exactly the fire is in the new document. It actually states that homosexuals are not to be admitted or ordained.

I thought since you typed some of it, you probably read it also. I did, and when I got to the end I wasn't sure what his problem was (specifically with the doc)

I'm pretty well versed in what you had to say, as are most of us here, and I know more has to be done, not less, to assure orthodox Priests for the future.

37 posted on 02/22/2005 4:09:42 PM PST by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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To: Arguss

All stop.

Re-reading your post, to which this is a reply (#37) it now appears that you might be reading the paragraph that begins, "Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty..." and then you're thinking this is a quote taken from the "the new document due out this fall?" Is this correct? Is that what you think you are reading, a quote from the document that Mauro is in a snip about?

"The only thing is, I don't understand where exactly the fire is in the new document. It actually states that homosexuals are not to be admitted or ordained."

No, it does not. The "new document" is not quoted in the article. The new document is not yet published. The new document is not yet written. The new document is a work in progress.

So, why are we upset about something that has not happened yet? Well, we are actually upset about what HAS been happening and continues to happen. Read post #26 again. The promotion of homosexual seminarians to sacerdotal orders has been a plague for the past 40 years as we wander in the desert.

Why get worried before it happens? Well, it IS happening. If we wait until this thing is out in the fall, it will be TOO LATE!

We have seen this kind of thing going on all the time. Here in L.A., there was a committee under Mahony working on his pastoral letter on the Eucharist several years ago. One (or more) of the members on that committee was secretly leaking out preliminary versions of the letter months before it was to be released. This drove Mahony et. al. quite batty. To make a long story short, Mahony had to make several complete revisions of his letter before releasing it, because each version got leaked and Catholics all over town were complaining about how non-Catholic it sounded. --They were complaining about a document that had not been relaeased yet.-- The final version got the attention of Mother Angelica and she scolded Mahony on her TV show. Mahony responded to her saying that what she was upset about was clearly expressed in the footnotes. She came back saying she doesn't read footnotes, and that if he has the most important part in the footnotes, then what's all the rest of this nonsense for? It was pretty funny.

But the fiasco-style archdiocesan antics are far from funny. The faithful are being led down the garden path and the Church is being wrecked. The only way to get any action here is to be ahead of the game. If we wait for the Cardinal to take action, we lose, because he always closes the door before he spreads the news.


53 posted on 02/23/2005 2:49:43 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort)
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