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To: donbosco74

It's over. The conciliar Church is descending into all out apostasy.

If the remaining Catholic clerics in Rome wish to save the Roman Rite they should immediately grant celebrants to all loyal diocesan and validly ordained independent priests. Do a run around the corrupt diocesan establishments. Acknowledge Quo Primum is still in effect. Regularize with SSPX.

AmChurch is in schism as are the Swiss and Germans. Thankfully the SSPX will retake France in a few years.


12 posted on 02/21/2005 12:17:42 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

http://www.sspx.org/chapels.htm


13 posted on 02/21/2005 12:20:29 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

"AmChurch is in schism as are the Swiss and Germans."

DUH !

(friendly sarcasm off) There are some who think that the phenomenom of gay priests is somehow in the minority.......or that just beacuse a lot of American Bishops are gay does not mean that the "higher ups approve of this".

To anyone who in good faith holds this opinion I would say: kindly remove your head from your alimentary canal.

The enemy is not at the gate. The enemy is not inside the gate. The enemy has not infiltrated. These three concepts are not merely old news, they in no way accurately describe the reality of.......reality.

The reality is that the enemy has facilitated a throrough, top to bottom hostile corporate takover. The own the organization; they run all the key levers of power. They call all of the shots.........sign the paychecks, have the deeds to the property......and have changed the locks on the doors. And they are stealing the family silver.

All too many Catholics - those who still attend mass at the local NO church - are asleep. They think, in some dreamlike state, that all is well, that nothing has changes - or that what has changed is necessary and good. They trust "Father" with teaching the faith, administering the sacraments, handling the money, caring for they young.

And they will keep doing so. The most amazing thing is that they will, in some cases, keep supporting "Father" (or the Bishop)even after he has looted the parish treasury, and is caught in bed with a 13 year old boy!

Am I being extreme? No. What I earnestly desire for all Catholics is for them to understand what is the truth, and then to act in a positive and coherant manner to "strengthen what remains".


18 posted on 02/21/2005 2:09:08 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Well it certainly looks pretty bleak. Corruption is nothing new to the Church, however. The Church has endured through rough times before, although this is a bit worse than the previous ones. I'm not sure I know what you mean by this:

"...the remaining Catholic clerics in Rome should immediately grant celebrants to all loyal diocesan and validly ordained independent priests."

What do you mean by "celebrants?"

The SSPX has been negotiating (sort of) with Rome for a long time, and Rome keeps trying to bypass the issue of dogma. Bishop Fellay, on the other hand, has attempted to keep dogma in the foreground, since his mentor taught him that unless they do so, there can never be any good to come from any agreements. Now we can see the proof of that in Campos, Brazil.

If you are referring to "indult" I would like to remind you that no need for any indult exists for a priest to say the Traditional Latin Mass. The "indult" should be required for a priest to offer the Novus Ordo! All priests have a right to say the Mass of Ages because Quo Primum grants this right "in perpetuity" and no pastor, not even a pope (a pope is a pastor) can ever take that away. There have been men murdered for saying this.

Once ordained, a Roman Catholic priest can say Mass wherever he wants to, evidenced by the priests in the catacombs, on the battlefields, in the prisons. Now even the local parish is a cave, a war zone, a prison. But getting the Pope and bishops to admit as much is the same problem as getting them to release the 3rd Secret, or to consecrate Russia properly. They won't do it because to do so would contradict everything they have so proudly asserted over the years. They have lied, and they don't want to be found out. What a wicked web their deception has woven.


27 posted on 02/22/2005 11:54:37 AM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort)
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