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To: Land of the Irish; Dominick
Five years after the Pope "consecrated" Russia, the Berlin wall falls, and communism collapses in the Soviet Union and all of Eastern Europe.

Now, this was either as the result of the consecration, or it was just good fortune that Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher destroyed the Soviet economy, and John Paul II gave moral support to Poland and other Eastern Europeans yearning for freedom.

I happen to believe God and the Blessed Mother had a hand in this, but maybe you don't.

34 posted on 02/18/2005 2:25:12 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: sinkspur

And after this blessed "conversion of Russia", the very same Pope who supposedly consecrated her to the Sacred Heart is refused permission to set foot on her soil to this day.

Dream on.


36 posted on 02/18/2005 2:33:50 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: sinkspur

"Five years after the Pope "consecrated" Russia, the Berlin wall falls, and communism collapses in the Soviet Union and all of Eastern Europe."


Hmmm. So that the worst excesses of capitalism can prevail? And I can't see much scope for Catholicism in Wojtyla's "consecrated" Russia when he is so keen to yield to the Orthodox church there. No doubt this is a clumsy attempt to draw a line under the whole Fatima affair which really has no place in modern Rome which prefers the Assisi model. Out with the old, in with the new!!


60 posted on 02/18/2005 6:13:39 PM PST by Wessex
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To: sinkspur

Results of the appearance of the Virgin of Guadalupe:

From http://www.queenofpeace.ca/The%20Story.htm.

"In the next ten years[after the apparition- Mark], nine million natives converted to Catholicism. The missionaries, once discouraged in their efforts, were swamped with hundreds of baptisms every day. Our Lady more than compensated for the large numbers leaving the Catholic Church in Europe during the Reformation. She came to a conquered and defeated people as a Mother and gently guided them to the Truth."

Results of Bishops of Portugal consecrating their country:

From http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/articles/mary/fatima-controversy13.htm

"on May 13, 1931 which served as a heaven-sent sign of what a valid consecration would do. As noted earlier in this essay, on that date, in the presence of 300,000 Catholics who came to Fatima, the bishops of Portugal consecrated their nation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. They desired to protect Portugal from the threat of communism that was sweeping Europe, having already entered into Spain, their closest neighbor. Nothing short of the miraculous was experienced by the Portugese people as a result of this consecration. Within ten years, the number of religious vocations quadrupled. Catholic radio, a Catholic press, Catholic pilgrimages and spiritual retreats dotted the landscape as never before. The country was totally transformed, to say the least. Antonia Salazar ascended to power in 1933 and inaugurated a Catholic social movement unprecedented in recent history, wherein government and Catholic ideals were integrated at the highest levels, along with a total restoring of family values. Divorce was outlawed. By 1960, over 90% of all Portugal's marriages were canonical. Salazar's efforts were so extraordinary that he received the personal congratulations from Pius XII. Miraculously, Portugal was spared the effects both of the Spanish Civil War and any involvement in World War II. On February 6, 1939, Sister Lucia wrote to her bishop in Portugal, Monsignor da Silva stating: "...in this horrible war [World War II], Portugal would be spared because of the national consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary made by the bishops" At about the same time, Sister Lucia wrote to Pius XII and told him that, had the other nations done likewise, they would have enjoyed the same blessings as Portugal."

Results of Fatima requested consecration of Russia- change from aetheistic communism to aetheistic captialism. Whata jip!


98 posted on 02/18/2005 11:56:25 PM PST by Markjwyatt
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