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To: Kolokotronis; Anonykat
I personally don't know what to make of Fatima, but I do know that for decades it has been used to allege that Russia is not a Christian Country and needed to be converted to "the Immaculate Heart of Mary".

I don't either what to make of it either. Maybe we should ask the tens of thousands of witnesses of all walks of life who watched the sun drop out of the sky that day.

I know that you're brighter than to contend to any degree of reason that Russia is even remotely a "Christian country". I apologize sincerely if this it seems hurtful, but it very much does need to be converted, starting with the many Bolsheviks at the highest levels of the Orthodox Russian church.

The insidious leftist ethos is a cancer on Christianity that began as a tumor with Russian philosophers/agitators, and has small-celled its way around the globe. To this day its friends are the deepest enemies of Christianity - from the Mideast to China.

10 posted on 02/15/2005 8:57:10 PM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: AAABEST
...To this day its [Russia's] friends are the deepest enemies of Christianity - from the Mideast to China.

Including their stewardship and construction of a nuclear power plant in Iran that could be in a position to totally annihilate a large portion of the Middle East, including and especially Israel.
Suffice it to say, the Fatima revelations have not yet played out. The Church and the succession of popes who chose to ignore the admonition to consecrate Russia have imperiled the world by their disobedience.

12 posted on 02/16/2005 8:45:08 AM PST by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: Kolokotronis; Anonykat; AAABEST
Re AAABEST's post: "I apologize sincerely if this it seems hurtful, but it very much does need to be converted...."

I would like to add this country, the good old U.S of A needs to be converted as well. While 1 out of 4 babies dying in elective abortion is a better rate than what is common in Russia, it is still too many to call this a Christian Country. At least not one that is living it's faith. Unless it is the faith of the Episcopalian, United Methodist or Presbyterian USA churches, all of which support pro abortion rallies in Washington DC. They don't even blush about it.
13 posted on 02/16/2005 11:03:15 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: AAABEST

"I know that you're brighter than to contend to any degree of reason that Russia is even remotely a "Christian country". I apologize sincerely if this it seems hurtful, but it very much does need to be converted, starting with the many Bolsheviks at the highest levels of the Orthodox Russian church."

Sigh. There went any hope of reasonable discussion, if THAT kind of cockamamie nonsense is your MO.

Read about Father Arseny. Read about Jim Forrest, who converted to Orthodoxy during the Soviet regime b/c of the pious examples he saw in the underground Church. Read of the countless martyrs of the Church during the Soviet regime. Read about the things the Russian Church is doing today. The Church was shaken by the commies, but not defeated. She is still struggling to rebuild, but has made great strides, and the nonsense that Bolsheviks are still in charge is laughable. So laughable that I almost didn't respond, thinking you must be a troll to post something that absurd. And perhaps you are, but, what the hey, responding to trolls is usually at least entertaining.

Tell me, how many Russians do you know? And how many lives of Russians are you familiar with apart from what you hear in our lovely media? I would venture to say I know a heckuva lot more of them than you do, and have heard a heckuva lot more firsthand accounts of life as an Orthodox Christian in Russia, than you ever have or will. Surely there's an Orthodox Church somewhere in your vicinity - go to one with a lot of Russian immigrants, and ask some questions. I dare you.

Of course there are atheists in Russia, and alcoholics, and CROOKED POLITICIANS, and hypocrites, and violence, and this and that and the other. Find me a country WITHOUT such problems. I'd like to move there. But you are inferring that Russia has no Christian faith and needs to be converted, as your Lady of Fatima allegedly said. And that is highly offensive, because the Russian Orthodox Church is still alive and well, and with help from Her sister Orthodox Churches, is making great strides in once again bringing Christ to the Russian people. So unless you are arrogant (and ignorant) enough to claim that Orthodox Christians are not really Christians, you really haven't a leg to stand on.


15 posted on 02/16/2005 8:31:15 PM PST by Anonykat (stienekel.tripod.com)
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