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To: thor76; NYer; marshmallow; Gerard.P; OptimusPrime5
Your post poses a most intelligent question:

I've asked intelligent questions (and dumb ones) here, but this isn't an overly intelligent one. In fact, any jackass with just a bit of common sense would would be forced to ask the same. Maybe if I rephrase it simply, someone can give a simple answer.

What is it that is contained in the supposed official version of the third secret that would cause 3 popes over decades to take such great pains to keep the text hidden?

I just don't get it.

I don't believe in Elvis, or flying saucers. Although I know that Mary is the living Mother of God, I don't believe in most Marian "apparitions" for that matter. I believe in Fatima because it's been documented by tens of thousands of people and it's sanctioned by our Church. It's not a matter of conspiracy theories, I don't even know who Father Gruner is.

It's just basic logic to wonder why we should believe what they are telling us when it doesn't seem to make any sense.

It's the same dynamic with the consecration. We're expected to believe something that can't be resolved by simply using the brains that God gave us.

Nobody remembers any real consecration (which would have been a enormous event in our Church), but never mind that - it happened anyway. We all just somehow missed it.

Logic is lacking. Unless you consider a logical argument to be that if you don't shut up and listen to your churchmen - who of course are above all reproach - you're a bad Catholic in a tinfoil suit.

40 posted on 02/15/2005 8:08:56 PM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: AAABEST

"if you don't shut up and listen to your churchmen - who of course are above all reproach - you're a bad Catholic in a tinfoil suit."

I would think you knew that! (gross sarcasm - forgive me!)


42 posted on 02/15/2005 8:30:44 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: AAABEST
What is it that is contained in the supposed official version of the third secret that would cause 3 popes over decades to take such great pains to keep the text hidden?

I would say that the revelation of a Pope being shot and killed would be sufficient for precisely that course of action.

Can you imagine what sort of disturbance and disquiet this would create among the faithful? Not to mention the circus it would cause in the secular world? For an officially approved apparition to predict that a future Pope would die violently would lead to all sorts of commotion in the Church and distract from its mission. "Is it today?", "Is this Pope the one?" would have been questions which spawned entire industries not unlike the JFK saga.

The Church is not "into" predicting the future. At least not in the sense that a revelation such as this foretells. It tells us that Jesus will return, that each of us will face our own particular judgement but the future violent death of a Pope is not something which we need to know for our own salvation.

There are probably other reasons which one could think of, but I think it's a stretch to infer from the long secrecy that there must be something really juicy being hidden and to further infer from this that the published version must therefore, be false.

43 posted on 02/15/2005 8:49:56 PM PST by marshmallow
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