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To: donbosco74

You are right that SSPX (is that what you mean by "independent Traditional") does not share the blame with the Vatican, but then the topic on hand is restoration of true Inquisition, which must come from the Pope.

I absolutely agree that the little pro-orthodoxy rhetoric coming from the Vatican is of no value when there is no penalty attacehd to the violators. That is the point of my post.


61 posted on 02/14/2005 8:42:33 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

The non-punitive heirarchy since Vatican II is directly connected with the pederasty scandal. They say Cardinal Mahony has been facing some 500 cases, but none of them have gone to court, nor is he being called to task by the Vatican for this looming catastrophy. For the Inquisition to be resumed, the principle of penalty for behavior opposed to the Faith of Catholics would have to be restored, first. As it is, from the very top on down the only penalties has been for those who behave IN ACCORD with the Faith of Catholics, inasmuch as they have refused to follow the deconstruction demanded of them from authority (and rightly so, because the demand was unjust). The problem is at the top. Corruptio optima pessima est (The corruption of the best is the worst). And the fish rots from the head. Mahony has been making homosexuality a PREREQUISITE for continuing in his seminaries, and any seminarian discovered to be morally opposed to homos are expelled (ostensibly for some other reason, of course). This has been going on for years, and the Vatican has done nothing to stop it. An official prohibition against admitting any candidate with homosexual tendencies to any seminary in the world was issued by Pope John XXIII in 1961, but it was ignored by almost all the bishops. Now we pay the price. Oh, the new answer to the recent public emergence of this long forgotten official directive is to - guess what? - put teeth in the offense? Noooo! They (Ratzinger or Hoyos or one of those guys) is going to issue a NEW directive that eliminates the prohibition! If that's not D2, I don't know what is. Sister Lucy warned us there would be trouble if the Pope and bishops ignored the command of heaven, and now we know...

Oh, by the way, Sister Lucy of Fatima has passed away. May God have mercy on her soul, and may her soul and all the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace.


63 posted on 02/14/2005 2:57:28 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort)
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To: annalex

You asked if the SSPX is what I mean by "independent traditional." Actually, no, I do not. While the SSPX in the main is doing the best they can under the circumstances, and while they are the only reliable source of traditional ordinations on a formidable scale, when I say independent traditional I am referring to the even more numerous priests, a number which is growing on two fronts, who have vowed to God to abandon the Novus Ordo abomination, inherently dangerous to the Faith, for the Mass of ages known and loved by all the saints of heaven throughout the ages, up until the revolution of the 1960's. The two fronts are either priests who were ordained before the changes, or after the changes, and have now come over to Tradition, or else those who have been ordained as SSPX priests and have exercised their option to leave that structure to become independent while remaining traditional.

One might ask, "how does a priest remain traditional if he leaves behind his submission to his local bishop?" That will have to wait for a later time. Have to go now...


65 posted on 02/16/2005 10:21:29 AM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort)
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