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To: thor76
You have no proof about anything on the Bishop, except the same weak statement. Liturgical abuse in a Diocese are not a grounds for removal as a Bishop. His condemnation is valid, and slandering his name does not remove it, but lets look for a few seconds at some things she said.

What is so spurious about Bayside:
In his place they installed an Imposter Pope, a priest who was a fine actor. By means of skilful plastic surgery he was made to appear very like the true Pope and taught to imitate his voice and mannerisms.

Pope Paul VI was given poisonous injections, which weakened and paralyzed him. They censored and changed his documents and letters, and thus perverted and falsified the teaching of the whole Church.


Bayside is a movement of sedes. Wouldn't an impostor in the seat mean the seat is empty?

Another thing Luekin said was that Satan and his demons were released from the underworld prison of Hell beginning in the year 1940. Upon rising to the surface and atmosphere of Earth, their transport vehicles "the UFOs" have often been seen traversing the atmosphere of the earth.

My own observations are also important in my discernment. OK ET is Satan. Seriously. We have UFOs all over the world, I see them all the time when designing Radar systems. They are unidentified, if you know a Demon was in them then they would be IFOs. It is semantic I know, but another irritating inconsistency.

Other things she said are not possible from physics. Large masses are indeed detectable out to a few tenths of a light year. Not undetectable as she claims "Jesus" to say. Christ has an excellent knowledge of physics. An object out that far with that mass would either be traveling fast and easily detected, or accelerated at the last minute, and the force to accelerate it would be detected.

I also know first hand, about LINEAR and NEAT programs that take sky surveys, and while a 3-5km asteroid would do great damage, we would know it is coming decades in advance. A larger body is easier to detect. Lay people to space kinematics don't know this, and I would submit it is easy for a fraud to play on those fears. Christ is an excellent physicist, and his miracles, such as the Sun at Fatima, need no mundane explanation.

This is far afield,if you look at the sum of things, like Communion in the Hand making the Body of Christ "invalid", the impostor pope, the UFO demons, and her own mental state, they add to a slam dunk in the condemnation. It also makes anything that would be said about the Diaconate spurious at the least.
50 posted on 02/12/2005 4:31:49 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick

Knowledgeable tolerance of liturgical abuses - which result in public blashphemy and invalid masses is an excellant ground for the removal of a Bishop. His ordination of open homosexuals (which are invalid on the face of it) are also grounds, as well as the toleration of active gay clerics. Mugavero was also known to be a homosexual, personally, who promopted homosexuals to high Chancery positions.

Some 20 years ago the Chancellor of the Diocese of Brooklyn was murdered in his car by a male prostitute, under the Brooklyn & Manhattan bridges, in a desolate location. The Msgr.s body was found by police, and the male prostitute arrested. It made all the papers at the time. The name of the dead priest escapes me, but I think I can look it up.

Bayside is NOT a movement of sedes - as the messages most definately confirm that JPII is a valid pope - and so was Paul VI. If you actually READ the messages, you would know this. They were both referred to as the annointed of God, as as being "beloved sons of Jesus". Much sorrow was expressed over their trials, and the disobedience of the clergy toward them.

So your "sede" accusation is nonesense.

Even assuming that Paul Vi was replaced by an imposter - yet kept alive - he was still Pope, and still very much a licit and valid office holder, despite any alledged subterfuge.

I do not for one minute pretend to understand your rant about physics. But I do know this: there are many things which man cannot see - things in the spiritual world as well as the physical. Such things are also beyond the reach of man's puny so-called "scientific instruments".

Man cannot see angels - unless permitted by God. The same is true of demons, who are fallen angels.

I believe that what Mary is purported to say about so-called UFOs is repeated in other 20th century apparitions, but I have no readily available text of such messages.

Anyway, all of this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.


51 posted on 02/12/2005 12:23:30 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: Dominick

," and her own mental state"

How would you know anything about the mental state of the late Veronica Leuken? Are you a liscenced psychiatrist who examined her?

She was NOT examined by any physciatrist employed by the Diocese of Brooklyn. My understanding is that she was not under the care of one, had never been in a mental hospital. She did willing submit to exampination - of her own free will, but not under church auspisces, She was pronounced sane.

But I repeat: the Church never examined/interviewed her.


52 posted on 02/12/2005 12:28:14 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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