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To: Mershon
"What specific doctrine has the current, or any of the past four popes taught that you must obey that is contrary to the Catholic Faith? Remember this discussion, which went on for eons, and you refuse to answer, then finally admitted, there was none. Finally."

Well of course that's correct, Mershon. There isn't any.

That's not the problem. The problem is that faithless prelates suppress true Catholic belief and practice, burden us with crap, and use a myriad of deceptive and coercive means to get the faithful to go along with a new understanding of Catholcism, and a new practice of it.

But that's not nearly as bad as the over-zealous right-wing liberals calling themselves conservative Catholics they are manipulating into their service, who fall all over themselves to embrace a stupid new way of being Catholic in our age of enlightened so-called. It's these people who are the brainless inertia of conciliar Catholicism. The faithless prelates are merely enablers by dropping a truckload of the manure of ambiguity in their driveways. They know they can count on the pious newbies to make of it what they will and to distribute it accordingly.

What, do you think you caught him in some sort of trap here?

Here's the fact: a New Catholicism is being brandished as if it were something we were under pain of obedience to buy into and to practice. Don't pretend like you don't know this, eh? Check it out: every instance of a traditional Catholic priest getting the axe is based not on any errancy in doctrine or practice, but on some dorky trumped up disobedience charge. And they trap them into the disobedience charges, too. They lay out traps for them, and make compliance impossible. That's because they could never deal with true Catholic teaching and true Catholic practice up front. Never. They know this.

How about this. What's his error? You would be at equal loss to identify it. Is he going to Hell, or what? What's at stake here?

249 posted on 02/08/2005 6:12:38 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: pascendi

OK. I know you are going to have a difficult time believing this, but I agree if not with every specific thing you said, with the overall message of the entirety of your post.

Thanks for clarifying that JPII has not ordered us to believe anything contrary to the deposit of Faith.

I agree that in many parts of the West particularly, the different types of things that pass for Catholicism are mind boggling and confusing. But the Faith itself is the same and available for those who seek it out.

I also agree with you regarding right-wing liberals; but I suppose many of you believe I am one of them...


309 posted on 02/09/2005 6:09:01 AM PST by Mershon
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