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To: BlackElk; DBeers; ninenot; Gerard.P; Canticle_of_Deborah
I think this is where you are getting your misinformation from:

ADDRESS OF JOHN PAUL II TO THE TRIBUNAL OF THE ROMAN ROTA, 17 February 1979

"I wish at this time to recall Cardinal Boleslaw Filipiak who was summoned to his heavenly home during the past year. I also wish to pay homage to our esteemed Monsignor Charles Lefebvre for his example of diligence and unselfishness. The Holy See continues to benefit by his valuable experience, now that he has ended the service he was rendering to the Sacred Roman Rota until a few months ago."

It was a Lefebvre, but not the Archbishop, who never served the Roman Rota.

You and ninenot have once again committed calumny, against a deceased Archbishop. This is your Michael Moore method of Apologetics. Throw any outright lies, half truths and misstatements out there with an attitude like you actually know what you are talking about, and hope some poor ignorant sap buys it. Your methods are the same as all the enemies of the Church, you have no concern for truth, you are frauds who give scandal to the ignorant.

29 posted on 01/31/2005 8:05:12 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: murphE; BlackElk; DBeers; ninenot; Canticle_of_Deborah

Let's see: JPII says, " I also wish to pay homage to our esteemed Monsignor Charles Lefebvre for his example of diligence and unselfishness. The Holy See continues to benefit by his valuable experience, now that he has ended the service he was rendering to the Sacred Roman Rota until a few months ago."

And in making the correction for Black Elk: "Charles DID open the floodgates to the modern practice of annulment mills which flourish in the US more than anywhere when Charles presided over the Rota but apparently his nicknames are more important to you than his blunders and their consequences. Just one more abuse of actual "tradition" from Charles."

So it appears that Black Elk is no longer in communion with Peter, with the Supreme Pontiff, the Patriarch of the West, the Servant of the Servants of Christ, the Vicar of Christ, God's hand-picked successor to Peter, the Leader of the Church against which the Gates of Hell will not prevail!!


Black Elk is a schizzie! Black Elk is a schizzie! Black Elk is a schizzie! Black Elk is a schizzie! Black Elk is a schizzie! Black Elk is a schizzie! Black Elk is a schizzie! Black Elk is a schizzie! Black Elk is a schizzie! Black Elk is a schizzie! Schizzie! Schizzie!Schizzie!Schizzie!


oh...this is rich....good times..


31 posted on 01/31/2005 8:26:14 PM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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To: murphE; Gerard.P; ninenot
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre consecrated bishops at Econe in direct defiance of and disobedience to Pope John Paul II.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was, along wit the sorry excuses for priests whom he consecrated unlawfully as bishops, accordingly excommunicated by John Paul II who has the authority and exercised it to do so.

Additionally, John Paul II declared the disobedient movement in defiance of the papacy and of the pope of the said Marcel Lefebvre known as the SSPX (an insult in and of itself to the memory of yet another pontiff who has been raised to the honors of the altar) to be a schism.

Those decisions were promulgated and published by John Paul II in 1988. They have not (at least in respect to Marcel) been withdrawn or altered in any way.

Marcel's loyal sycophants have been as mad as vampires doused in Holy Water ever since at John Paul II for meting out punishment to their patron in anti-papal defiance. No Catholic who IS a Catholic is likely to have the slightest degree of sympathy for Marcel or for his poisonous little cult.

Nonetheless, the cult compulsively and relentlessly advertises its shameless and hysterical attacks upon pope and Church to no particular avail other than picking off poorly catechized weaklings and thereby improving the gene pool in the actually Catholic pews which the weaklings then avoid.

That is a curious post of yours in the last paragraph given that you apparently join the other schizzies in regarding JP II as an enemy of the Church.

Whatever you may say, I did no give you scandal. The Marcellian cult embodies scandal.

40 posted on 01/31/2005 8:53:38 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: murphE

Thanks for the research and clarification.

I now know and understand that it was not Marcel, but Charles LeF. who was on the Rota.

Marcel was busy working on a new schism.


68 posted on 02/01/2005 4:48:38 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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