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To: ninenot
Do you really think that calling a deceased Archbishop silly names does anything to advance your argument, or present you as a person whose opinion should be considered by any decent thinking person? Your method only makes points to those who use the same Michael Moore method of Catholic Apologetics. Oh, you've pinged them I see.

But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment. Matthew 12.36

11 posted on 01/31/2005 8:19:59 AM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: murphE
Michael Moore method of Catholic Apologetics.

ROFL. That is a keeper.

14 posted on 01/31/2005 11:40:25 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: murphE; ninenot
As a matter of fact, the late Marcel DID open the floodgates to the modern practice of annulment mills which flourish in the US more than anywhere when Marcel presided over the Rota but apparently his nicknames are more important to you than his blunders and their consequences. Just one more abuse of actual "tradition" from Marcel.

If you wish to be Catholic, it would be far better to save your criticism for those who ceaselessly hurl invective and hatred at the Holy Father for righfully excommunicating Marcel, the Rebel without an Excuse.

15 posted on 01/31/2005 1:13:15 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: murphE; ninenot

I culled this together from Micheal Davies' Apologia pro Marcel LeFebvre. It covers his ordination to retirement. After 68 he was setting up the SSPX. I would think leading the Roman Rota would've been mentioned since it's such an important position.

Are you sure, you're not thinking of his cousin Cardinal LeFebvre who was a known liberal? I don't know if he was ever on the Rota.

He was ordained priest on 21 September 1929. first appointment was to the working-class parish of Marais-de-Lomme,

In 1932 Father Lefebvre joined the Holy Ghost Fathers and was sent to Gabon as a missionary, where he remained throughout the war. This was, he testifies, one of the happiest periods of his life.

In 1946 he was recalled to France to become Superior of a seminary at Mortain, but he returned to Africa when he was appointed Vicar Apostolic of Dakar on 12 June 1947.


On 22 September 1948 he was appointed Apostolic Delegate (the Pope's personal representative) for the whole of Frenchspeaking Africa - a mark of the great confidence placed in him by Pope Pius XII.

He was appointed as the first Archbishop of Dakar on 14 September 1955.

Mgr. Lefebvre was appointed to the Central Preparatory Commission of the Second Vatican Council in 1960 by Pope John XXIII - proof that the confidence placed in him by Pope John was no less than that of Pope Pius XII.

On 23 January 1962 he resigned his archbishopric in favor of a native African, now His Eminence Cardinal Hyacinthe Thiandoum, who had been ordained by Mgr. Lefebvre, who regards himself as his spiritual son, and who did all in his power to effect a reconciliation between the Archbishop and Pope Paul VI.

On 23 January 1962, Mgr. Lefebvre was appointed Bishop of Tulle in France, upon the personal insistence of Pope John XXIII, despite opposition from the already Liberal-dominated French hierarchy.


Then, in July 1962, he was elected Superior-General of the Holy Ghost Fathers (the world's leading missionary order). After some hesitation he accepted this post upon the insistence of the General Chapter and the advice of Pope John. It involved him in travelling all over the world to visit the various branches of the order. There were few other prelates on the eve of the Council with his first-hand experience of the state of the Church throughout the world.


By 1968 the General Chapter of the Holy Ghost Fathers had become dominated by a Liberal majority which was determined to reform the Order in a sense contrary to Catholic tradition. Mgr. Lefebvre resigned in June of that year rather than collaborate in what would be the virtual destruction of the Order as it had previously existed. He retired to Rome with a modest pension which was just sufficient to rent a small apartment in the Via Monserrato from some nuns.


20 posted on 01/31/2005 3:36:41 PM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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