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Why Tradition? (Part I of II)
This is Life!: Revolutions Around the Cruciform Axis ^ | 1/28/2005 | Clifton

Posted on 01/28/2005 9:29:10 AM PST by sionnsar

Some of the emails I've gotten and some of the public replies to my post on division and the Church have prompted me to some further reflection on the thing we "traditionalists" call the Holy Tradition. My reflections will unfold in two parts, of which this is the first, each part having to do with a different connotation of the question which is the title of this post. That is to say, one connotation of "Why Tradition?" is the sense of explanation, or what we mean when we say things like "Holy Tradition." The other connotation is "Why Tradition?" in the sense of justification and defense.

Many of the comments I've received have to do with an understanding that is radically at odds with the way we "traditionalists" understand ourselves when we say "Tradition." I am coming from the Orthodox perspective (insofar as I can best represent it), so mine will be different in some emphases from what an Anglican or a Roman Catholic means by "Tradition." But in that we are all referring to that living experience which has been transmitted from the Apostles down to our own day, we can said to be of one mind on the matter, and I hope to accurately reflect that mind.

First, what we do not mean by Holy Tradition. We do not mean those things that are not universal in shape and content to the entire apostolic Church. We also do not mean by Holy Tradition a set of legal codes or rules that must be unquestioningly obeyed at all times. We do not mean a love of the past merely for the past's sake. We do not mean a fortress into which we can retreat from the social realities we find troubling and distasteful. And we certainly do not mean by Holy Tradition a state of power in which we get to control the behaviors of other people. All of this is most emphatically not what we are about.

Rather, we mean by Holy Tradition quite simply that in which we know we can find the Life of Christ. We fast on Wednesdays and Fridays because we know that doing so brings us into real and vibrant contact with the Life of Christ. We rise bleary-eyed in the mornings to recite prayers somebody else wrote and prayed centuries ago because we know that those prayers unite us to all the saints here and in the heavenlies and in that union accomplished by the Holy Spirit we touch Life. We kiss our icons--which for many of us are paper reproductions pasted on wood (since we cannot afford a handwritten icon), these icons which have been blessed with holy water and lain on the very altar where bread and wine become the very Body and Blood of our Lord--because we know those kisses pass beyond paper or paint and wood and come in contact with the Life of all. We adhere to the male-only Eucharistic ministry because we know that our priests image for us Christ, who is male, and who himself images perfectly the Father in heaven, who is masculine. This is the only God we have ever known and the only one who has given us the Life we now live. We keep the only form of marriage the Church has ever known, that of one man and one woman for life and for the begetting of children, because in creating life and sustaining it, in our mortal unions themselves in a mytery too great to fathom we somehow touch Life. We keep the Eucharistic fast because we know that what we will consume in several hours' time is something so pure, so holy, and so life-giving, that to ingest anything else would be a mockery and an imitation of the only Food which can make us immortal.

Holy Tradition tells us that we are made in God's image, each of us united to him in his Son by the Holy Spirit. Our flesh became his flesh, and through that bridge our natures by grace became divine. Holy Tradition is that Life in which our orphans have a heavenly Father who revealed to them his only beloved Son, their brother, our fathers have a Mother who gave our Lord his humanity, their salvation, and our mothers have a divine Son, who gave them first of all the news of Resurrection, their special apostleship.

Those who speak to us of oppression and phobias, rights and justice, speak to us in a foreign language, and of an experience we have not known. Who can insist on rights when we are all slaves of God, bought at great price? Who of us would insist on justice when it is only by God's grace that we are shown mercy? What is oppression beside the despair one feels as the tyranny of our passions burden us with the sins we willingly commit at their urging? What sort of political freedom or empowerment could satisfy us when we are yet imprisoned by our own sins? What greater fear could one have than that of disowning our Lord? Not for nothing does the hymn ask of God that we never outlive our love for him! How is it possible that the same Tradition which gave us our reverence for the Mother of God could ever diminish the role and person of these daughters of the second Eve? We do not understand this language of oppression and rights, because it is not our language nor our experience.

By this we do not say to you that your hurts and fears are meaningless. How could we respond thus to your hurt and pain when we ourselves have been pierced through by our own misdeeds? We do not say of your exprience of oppression and injustice that it is all a will-o'-the-wisp, a black fantasy. We have only to say that what you describe is not our experience. Your darksome reality is not ours.

What we would be so bold as to say is to come to Holy Tradition and there meet the Life it gives in our Lord. There embrace his holy Mother, and all the saints. Come and experience the joy we know.

Posted by Clifton at January 28, 2005 07:30 AM | TrackBack


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1 posted on 01/28/2005 9:29:10 AM PST by sionnsar
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To: Kolokotronis

Comments?


2 posted on 01/28/2005 9:29:29 AM PST by sionnsar († trad-anglican.faithweb.com † || Iran Azadi || Kiev County: http://www.soundpolitics.com)
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To: sionnsar; Agrarian; The_Reader_David; MarMema; monkfan; katnip; FormerLib; Romulus; ...
This piece is really quite wonderful. On these various threads many of us, myself among the first, tend to talk of the councils, the canons, the Fathers without explaining that the purpose of all those sources of authority have in fact only one purpose, theosis and to ascend the Ladder of Divine Ascent, to advance in theosis, brings us at a point to an understanding and acceptance and "internalization" of the Joy which is the Truth of Orthodoxy and the experience of the ineffable love of the Ineffable God. This is the foundation and structure of an Orthodox phronema. This author really "gets it" and presents his position without an unfavorable contrast to others as we often see among ourselves.

I am pinging some of our Roman brethren as well as Orthodox on this one.

Thanks for this!
3 posted on 01/28/2005 10:19:35 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis; sionnsar; sandyeggo; Convert from ECUSA
This piece is really quite wonderful.

Yes, especially the commentary on kissing an icon that has leaned against the altar which held the Body and Blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Thank you, Sionnsar, for posting this thread.

4 posted on 01/28/2005 11:07:28 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: Kolokotronis

"one purpose, theosis"

I like how you always keep your eye on the ball. ;-)


5 posted on 01/28/2005 11:41:03 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

"I like how you always keep your eye on the ball. ;-)"

I have a spiritual father who keeps shoving it in my eye if I look away! :)


6 posted on 01/28/2005 11:55:55 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: sionnsar
"Your darksome reality is not ours."

This really sums it up and explains why we have so much trouble talking to each other.

Tradition is like drinking from a sweet spring. Modernism is like ordering a soda in a drive-through. I guess it would keep you from dying of dehydration but at the price of decayed teeth and a bloated waistline.

I have always found it ironic that progressive Anglicans still try to say that their faith rests on scripture, tradition and reason. They've thrown away 2 out of 3 and working hard to dismantle that last leg.

7 posted on 01/28/2005 12:11:52 PM PST by Gingersnap
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To: Tantumergo

Ping


8 posted on 01/28/2005 2:23:24 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: sandyeggo

The lady in your tagline understood!


10 posted on 01/28/2005 3:43:19 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Thanks so much for the ping, and for the pangs of sorrow, and feelings of joy that accompanied my reading this.

First, what we do not mean by Holy Tradition. We do not mean those things that are not universal in shape and content to the entire apostolic Church. We also do not mean by Holy Tradition a set of legal codes or rules that must be unquestioningly obeyed at all times. We do not mean a love of the past merely for the past's sake. We do not mean a fortress into which we can retreat from the social realities we find troubling and distasteful. And we certainly do not mean by Holy Tradition a state of power in which we get to control the behaviors of other people. All of this is most emphatically not what we are about.

There is so much beauty in this piece that I don't want to linger very long on anything negative, but what this gentleman says Holy Tradtion is not, should be taken to heart.

We keep the only form of marriage the Church has ever known, that of one man and one woman for life and for the begetting of children, because in creating life and sustaining it, in our mortal unions themselves in a mytery too great to fathom we somehow touch Life.

I don't know when I've ever seen a more profound and beautiful explanation of the Holy magnitude of marriage and procreation.

What is oppression beside the despair one feels as the tyranny of our passions burden us with the sins we willingly commit at their urging?

I am so blessed that the good Lord lengthened my days, so I could find my way back. 'Blessed be God, and his Angels and his Saints.'

12 posted on 01/28/2005 5:20:52 PM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: CouncilofTrent; Canticle_of_Deborah

Ping. You might find this interesting.


13 posted on 01/28/2005 6:42:01 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Thanks


14 posted on 01/28/2005 6:47:48 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: AlbionGirl

"Blessed be God, and his Angels and his Saints."

Blessed be His Holy Name! (I remember :) )


15 posted on 01/28/2005 9:02:22 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis
What an inspired piece of writing. I had to read it three times to digest the spiritual depth.

But in that we are all referring to that living experience which has been transmitted from the Apostles down to our own day

This sentence immediately stood out for me. Divine Liturgies are alive. I have not spent much time in Orthodox churches, but in older Roman churches there is a palpable sanctity in the air. I would say it is due literally to God's presence and the graces which infuse the church during the Old Mass.

Tradition is a path of practice. My spiritual director says the path to sanctity is simple. Human beings make it complicated through our mental obstacles and personal weaknesses. No one needs to be a great scholar. Some of the greatest Roman saints were uneducated. The challenge is not in the talking but in the doing.

IMO, Tradition is the Church which has survived and been passed down for centuries despite efforts to stamp it out.

16 posted on 01/28/2005 11:05:27 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"Divine Liturgies are alive. I have not spent much time in Orthodox churches, but in older Roman churches there is a palpable sanctity in the air. I would say it is due literally to God's presence and the graces which infuse the church during the Old Mass."

One thing which stands out starkly to me when I have the occasion to attend a NO Mass is the lack of a sense of "sacred space". As a Catholic school kid I was very familiar with the Tridentine Mass, so what I see today seems very odd and not really Roman Catholic to me. Maybe you should spend more time at Divine Liturgies, C of D!

"My spiritual director says the path to sanctity is simple." To say what needs to be done is indeed simple, pray unceasingly. The end is to die to the self so that one's whole being is focused on God. Doing it is another matter entirely. But you are right that many of us, especially those of us who are educated, over think and over complicate matters of the Faith. We have the Liturgy and other devotions of the Church, the sacraments, our icons and the writings and examples of the Fathers, especially the Desert Fathers to guide us. We don't need to know why or how, just believe the Truth and live it. In Orthodoxy there is a line of belief which says that at the Judgment, we won't be judged by what we have done or not done, but rather on how close we have become to being like God. I've said this many times on FR, but it bears repeating. My Greek great grandmother couldn't spell canon and probably didn't even know what they are, but her best friend was the Holy Mother of God.
17 posted on 01/29/2005 4:31:56 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis
One thing which stands out starkly to me when I have the occasion to attend a NO Mass is the lack of a sense of "sacred space". As a Catholic school kid I was very familiar with the Tridentine Mass, so what I see today seems very odd and not really Roman Catholic to me.

And the frightening thing is that people born in the NO era like myself, have hardly any idea what they are missing. But when we learn...either through exposure to the Divine Liturgy, or the Traditional Mass....wow.

The reaction becomes...you taught us this...when we had THAT sitting unused in the closet!!??

18 posted on 01/29/2005 4:59:29 AM PST by Claud
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" The reaction becomes...you taught us this...when we had THAT sitting unused in the closet!!??"

I guess I'd be a bit upset myself.


19 posted on 01/29/2005 5:04:45 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Maybe you should spend more time at Divine Liturgies, C of D!

After our discussion last night I did some internet searching. Everything made sense. I shared the information with my mother this morning who wasn't surprised at all. She said when she was a little girl in southern Italy, she attended Mass in a tiny chapel called "Santa Maria del Graeco" -- St. Mary of Greece. It was built either in the 1100s or 1400s. She couldn't recall. All the church buildings are Greek in design. I think I have ancestors who were Greek Orthodox, lol ;-)

20 posted on 01/29/2005 4:44:47 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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