[brooklyn dave]

C'mon, you know that the stance on celibacy is just Church law not a doctrinal issue. It is truly an issue that has to be looked at with some seriousness, not with a knee-jerk reactionary attitude. The fact that some traditional orders are doing better than many liberal ones probably is due to other factors as well.....they don't want to put up with wacked out liturgies.

[Conservative til I die]

C'mon, you know that the stance on celibacy is just Church law not a doctrinal issue. It is truly an issue that has to be looked at with some seriousness, not with a knee-jerk reactionary attitude.

Fair enough, but you would have to admit that much of the pro-married clergy proponents are rather knee-jerk themselves. Either becuase of some modernist agenda, or by making the immediate (il)logical conclusion that the priest shortage issue is a) directly caused by celibacy and b) will be solved by removing celibacy as a discipline.