Posted on 01/24/2005 4:01:56 PM PST by Land of the Irish
Jan. 31 issue - Giuseppe Frassinetti (died 1868), a holy priest and founder of a religious order, would be a saint today—like his sister, Paola—except for one thing: he lacks two miracles credited to his intercession. The Vatican's Congregation for the Causes of Saints has a list of several hundred candidates who need one or more of the miracles required for canonization. Some are recent and sure to be saints, like Pope John XXIII and Mother Teresa, who already has 600 "divine favors" (unverified, possible miracles) credited to her intercession. Other candidates, like Jesuit Father Miguel Pro, who was executed by the Mexican government in the "Christero" rebellion in 1927, and Belgian Father Damien DeVeuster (1840-1889), who ministered to lepers on the island of Molokai, have been stalled for decades.
Last month Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone of Genoa, formerly a high Vatican official, caused a huge stir in the European press by openly criticizing the church's rules for making saints. Frassinetti would be a saint today, he complained, if the church would only relax the miracle requirement. Indeed, Bertone said that his former boss, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the pope's closest adviser on church doctrine, had told him he would take up the matter with John Paul II himself.
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Some are recent and sure to be saints, like Pope John XXIII ...The pope who convened Vatican II!!! Oh, my : )
That's 1264 years by my count, for a man who was continuously discussed and known of by all Church scholars and lay historians alike.
Ya gotta have a Rabbi to push the paperwork through, just like any bureaucracy.
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relax the rules? before you know it some loon will try to have Hitler canonized, they're already in the process of sainthood for the Austrian emperor who ordered his troops to use poison gas...
You're in dire need of some non-revisionist history lessons.
You're in dire need of some non-revisionist history lessons.
apparently that royal blood has gone to your head :)
Don't tempt me.
That's a lie! Emperor Karl tried to prevent the use of poison gas but was unable to do so. Beatifying the saintly emperor was in my opinion the best act of Pope John Paul II's pontificate.
I don't know anything about that, but I did read somewhere that Martin Luther's name was once bandied about in the Vatican for sainthood. Speaking of which, it seems they are working towards doing away with miracles entirely and declaring us all saints, like the Protestants do.
The article which you posted earlier this month from the Washington Post and originally published in the west in The Times of London in late December said "Pope to Change Rules for Sainthood." Period. Now it's become "Will a future pope...."
Translation: not in this Pope's lifetime. He won't do it.
In other words, the previous report was garbage but the perps are still agitating and making mischief around the "sainthood" issue.
Why not relax the rules? They relaxed and changed the 4th commandment.
"I spoke with the pope about this issue some years ago,..."
Get your timetable in order.
This Pope has been known to change his mind before, e.g., Holy Communion in the hand and altar girls.
It is. Although the person quoted in the article says he spoke with the Pope "some years ago", my understanding of the passage is that nothing has changed.
This Pope has been known to change his mind before, e.g., Holy Communion in the hand and altar girls.
So he might change his mind? Is that the top and bottom of this? If the Pope has changed his mind, I'd like to see the evidence.
Otherwise my point remain valid.
Specifically, previous articles stating that this was a done deal are now giving way to speculation about a "future pope" doing it.
All this was brought about by Bertone giving his opinion to the media.
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