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To: tortoise

you equivocate between a narrow definition of intelligence and consciousness.

your "faith" requires that consciousness be material.


36 posted on 01/23/2005 6:49:10 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: tortoise; traviskicks

let me be precise: the "hard problem" should've been better called "a hard problem." While Chalmer's offered up a softball for the Godless self-flagellating academics, "the hard problem" is the discovery of God and personal faith.

Come back when your mathematics proves the existence of God and you act on that faithfully. Because until then, you're just unconscious. You cannot understand until you have faith, i.e. nothing makes sense until it all makes sense.


41 posted on 01/23/2005 7:32:22 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: WriteOn
you equivocate between a narrow definition of intelligence and consciousness. your "faith" requires that consciousness be material.

What are you blathering about? There is no faith involved, beyond a reasonable acceptance that mathematics is probably founded on axioms that are essentially correct. I don't require anything. Anybody who understands theoretical mathematics as it pertains to this topic also understands the relationship between intelligence and consciousness. Do you accept that mathematics is correct or not? Be careful how you answer, as the validity of simple arithmetic is dependent upon the same axioms as my assertion that consciousness is a necessary property of certain types of systems. I will gladly adjust my world view the minute you provide evidence that the mathematics is incorrect. I suspect I'll be waiting for a long time.

Feel free to pontificate with your mental flatulence, but when you actually get around to providing a rigorous refutation of my points, let me know. I'm not going to waste my time on bomb-throwing cowards who can't support their own assertions.

56 posted on 01/23/2005 11:49:17 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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