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To: Wessex; thor76; murphE

It's obvious that Fr. Martin is asking or direct action against Card. Mahoney. He can put real pressure on Mahoney and that was his task at the time in his coordinated efforts with Frs. Kunz and Fiore.

Fr. Martin did plenty of critiqueing of JPII and his responsibilities. He gave JPII the benefit of the doubt up until the altar girl fiasco and the encyclical Ut Unum Sint. If you listen to his tapes all through the 90's there is a growing impatience and realization that JPII was not going to help the traditional cause despite his previous assurances from JPII that he was encouraging the traditional cause.

This makes sense. JPII plays to whoever his audience is. He's helpless when faithful Catholics plead with him to do something and he lauds the efforts of liberals and encourages them to be zealous and careful. (translated: do what you like)

In the Devastated Vineyard, Fr. Martin goes into a long critique of JPII's philosophical bent and finishes up with, "I'll tell you this, had it been known what this man's views were. He would not have been ordained a priest by Pius IX, X, XI or XII. If he were ordained they would've thrown him into a monastery. Much less would he have been made a bishop, much less a Cardinal and he wouldn't have gotten within an Ass's roar of the papacy!"


6 posted on 01/18/2005 1:24:28 PM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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To: Gerard.P; Wessex; murphE; Viva Christo Rey; Canticle_of_Deborah; 26lemoncharlie; CouncilofTrent

Fr. Martin did indeed criticize the Pope for what he is responsible for - many, many times. He did make it very clear that - in many ways - the Pope is not, and increasingly so in the 90s - was not his own man.......yet clearly stated that JPII is RESPONSIBLE for what happens under his watch. For all that he consciously says & does, as well as what it said an done by his bishops - with or without his permission.

He must account - as we all must for our sins, bothe of COMMISSION and of OMISSION. The latter aspect is one which we all easliy forget. In raged to the Holy Father, this speaks volumes.

I can easily forgive him for making mistakes & errors of judgement - he, like me, is human, and has all the normal frailties which go with the human condition.

But that does not in any way abolve him of responsibility for what is done in his name, and what is done by his disobedient suborininants whom he appointed to office, and has done very little in fact to discipline in any real manner. In any effective manner.

He did very little real disciplining when he was younger, healthier, stronger, and in (somewhat) control of things. He certainly cannot reasonably be expected to do anything of consequence about things now, in sickness and old age - neing surrounded and cared for by persons who have for the large part forsworn the Catholic faith.

I am quite sure that he knows this. And, as Martin indicated, JPII now lives with this regret. Also the regret of further allowing the powers of the Petrine office to fall into disuse, and thereby become essentially moot for most Catholics - and even forgotten.

Such is his "purgatory upon earth".


8 posted on 01/18/2005 2:20:28 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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