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To: dangus
I have read the leading thinkers on evolutionary theory ad-nauseum. You summarize the position well.

Everything you have said -- and that evolutionist have said -- doesn't pass the common sense meter. You continue to assume that the process of RMNS can program new and more complex creatures at a staggering rate of success. We are talking about millions of highly sophisticated functionally complicated systems.

These systems have self-replicating mechanisms, self-healing mechanisms, reproductive mechanisms, fuel refining digestive mechanisms, self-cleaning mechanisms, highly refined oxygen filtering mechanisms, waste disposal mechanisms, cooling mechanisms, heating mechanisms, nervous systems, highly sophisticated coverings over structures that attach the energy transfer systems together.

Consider a CPU that can drive a car 60 mph on a winding cliff faced road, while singing a melody, while discerning the wind blowing over every exposed hair, while regulating the motion of a 2000 pound moving object using precise predictive visual stimuli, while cooperatively leaning every muscle of the body into a turn, while recognizing the pitch of the road to calculate the minute steering and braking adjustments, while responding to memories of how the suspension will react at precise angles of momentum, while enjoying the millions of hues the sunlight reflecting produces on a multifaceted ocean.

The production of one of these systems has not been shown to be true. In fact it goes against every common sensical concept of chemistry, biology, physics and mathematical information theory.

82 posted on 01/18/2005 1:31:51 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: dangus
Here is a good summary!

"The evidence for Darwinism is not only grossly inadequate, it's systematically distorted. I'm convinced that sometime in the not-to-distant future, people will look back in amazement and say, 'How could anyone have believed this?' Darwinism is merely materialistic philosophy masquerading as science." Jonathan Well, Ph.D. in molecular and cell biology, specializing in vertebrate embryology, 1994, from UC Berkeley.

83 posted on 01/18/2005 1:46:37 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: bondserv

You say evolution doesn't pass the common sense meter. But you don't follow with showing contradiction, just an illustration of how amazing evolution is.

Yes, it is amazing. And probably far more amazing than we can ever understand. But the fact it is amazing doesn't refute it. The handiwork of God is meant to be amazing.

I'm not arguing for you to believe in nihilist. The horde of nihilist who have seized control of the media, and who threaten to sieze control of science are perverters of the truth, and we must not abandon the power of science to them.

I'm arguing that the exploration of the wonders of God's creation is a pious and just cause, but tha your well-intentionned, hyperliteral misreading of the scripures is a threat to that cause. Believe me, the ones who are most in awe of the universe are the ones who have studied it the closest.

Centuries ago, Galileo abused the work of Copernicus to blaspheme against God. Ever since then, heretics and apostates have been trying misconstrue science into evidence God doesn't exist. The thesists, Christian and Jew, have been racing against them to uncover the truth. But wit the advent of mass media, science was brought to the masses, and it has been the nihilists presenting it.

Their victory was two-fold. First, they succeeded in misrepresenting the truth. So many popular notions of science would never find their way into a legitimate science textbok: that scientists have created life in a jar; that life has been found on Mars, that amino acids can aseemble themselves into DNA, etc., etc.

But they have also succeeded in causing Christians to become defensive against science and abandon the contest to the nihilists.

Dont ever EVER confuse what is amazing with what is implausible.


85 posted on 01/18/2005 2:59:33 PM PST by dangus
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