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To: dangus
Matthew has traced a patrilineage of eldest sons, directly contradicting Luke. Unlike Luke's gospel, Matthew's shows a direct lineage of royal heirs, straight back to David, even though the Old Testament shows the lineage broken at Zerubabel. Matthew says Mary's father-in-law was Jacob, Luke says he was Heli.

Is God lying?

From the simplistic way of reading the bible, I would have to conclude that either Luke and Chronicles or Matthew is a liar or is wrong. Since that is not so, I must conclude that I am misunderstanding one of them.

No, You just need to read more :)

Mary's lineage is through Nathan, through Bathsheba, the physical lineage of Jesus birth.

Joseph is NOT the physical parent of Jesus, so HIS father, Jacob would not be listed twice.

It is simple: Matthew lists Jesus lineage through Solomon, the LEGAL parentage through the father, and Luke does through Nathan, the actual parental lineage through Mary.

This is what I have been saying. People have to read what it says, all of it.

While this one is just a case of needing to dig deeper to understand what is an apparent connundrum, the reading of Genesis is not. You have ignored the clear modifiers that directly say the days of Genesis are literal 24 hour days, you then take the statements of Genesis 2 and try to apply the same word understanding of Genesis 1 when they are two tellings of the same event in two different ways. Genesis 1 speaks of the Creation of all things, while Genesis 2 is an expansion on the creation of MAN.

41 posted on 01/17/2005 2:53:05 AM PST by RaceBannon (((awaiting new tag line)))
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To: RaceBannon

It's simple to you, and as I noted, it's a good theory. But the bible doesn't SAY that. You're inferring what the bible MEANT because you are confronted with an obvious contradiction. Luke doesn't say Heli was Mary's father, he says, "Joseph, of Heli" when Joseph was not of Heli.

If you had never read Matthew, and had only read Luke, and I tried to tell you that Heli wasn't Joseph's father, you would say I was saying God was lying.

Likewise, 400 years ago, you would be insisting to me that travelling to the moon would be impossible, because there was a firmament seperating us from the moon.

And 800 years ago, you would be insisting the Earth was flat, because the bible plainly speaks of the "four corners" of the Earth.

And you insist that there is no contradiction between Chs. 1 and 2. Yet Chapter 2 says Man was created before the plants grew, because there was no rain from above and no-one to till the Earth. Chapter 1 says the plants brought forth abundance three days before Man. You had kinda skrited the issue by saying that chapter 2 didn't happen all in one day. Fine, but it still says that Man was created before plants were.


46 posted on 01/17/2005 11:43:55 AM PST by dangus
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