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To: DBeers

That this question even has to be pondered to arrive at an answer is ridiculous.


5 posted on 01/15/2005 9:55:24 AM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: murphE
That this question even has to be pondered to arrive at an answer is ridiculous.

In actuality it is more a matter of enforcement. The question was really never a question as far as the Magisterium has been concerned. The problem is that enforcement of already clear prohibition was in the hands of the Bishops -some very liberal.


See Religiosorum institutio - 30. Those To Be Excluded; Practical Directives

4. If a student in a minor seminary has sinned gravely against the sixth commandment with a person of the same or the other sex, or has been the occasion of grave scandal in the matter of chastity, he is to be dismissed immediately as stipulated in canon 1371, except if prudent consideration of the act and of the situation of the student by the superiors or confessors should counsel a different policy in an individual case, sc., in the case of a boy who has been seduced and who is gifted with excellent qualities and is truly penitent, or when the sin was an objectively imperfect act.

If a novice or a professed religious who has not yet made perpetual vows should be guilty of the same offense, he is to be sent away from the community or, should the circumstances so demand, he is to be dismissed with due observance of canon 647, S 2, 1 . If a perpetually professed religious is found guilty of any such sin, he is to be perpetually excluded from tonsure and the reception of any further Order. If the case belongs to the external forum, he is to receive a canonical warning unless, as provided for in canons 653 and 668, there be grounds for sending him back to the world (cf. Stat. Gen., art. 34, S 2, 4 ).

Lastly, should he be a subdeacon or deacon, then, without prejudice to the above-mentioned directives and if the case should so demand, the superiors should take up with the Holy See the question of his reduction to the lay state.

For these reasons, clerics who in their diocese or religious who in another community have sinned gravely against chastity with another person are not to be admitted with a view to the priesthood, even on a trial basis, unless there be clear evidence of excusing causes or of circumstances which can at least notably diminish responsibility in conscience (Circular Letter of S. C. of the Sacraments, n. 16; Canon Law Digest, 4, p. 314).

Advantage to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers.


I suspect the Vatican document will define homosexuality with no wiggle room in addition to clearly stating that all decisions regarding determination and authority are the the Vatican's domain.

6 posted on 01/15/2005 2:00:13 PM PST by DBeers
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