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To: marshmallow
Those men who genuinely believed in the value of celibacy and wished to remain in that state would have the added burden of being considered shirtlifters.

As opposed to ALL priests being considered shirtlifters today? Look, the Latin Rite priesthood is in a fix that it won't get out of for some time. Ordaining married men should at least be discussed, given the response of those same men to the permanent diaconate.

18 posted on 01/16/2005 7:27:56 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur; marshmallow
Ordaining married men should at least be discussed, given the response of those same men to the permanent diaconate.

Vatican II reinstituted the Deaconate. You benefited. Apparently, that is not enough. What's that old expression: "Give someone an inch and they will take a mile". Your desire to be a 'married' priest does not fit the Catholic Church. Had it not been for VCII, you wouldn't even be serving as a deacon.

If you don't like it "here", leave. But, please, don't rally to impose what "you want" on the rest of the church. That would be utterly selfish.

20 posted on 01/16/2005 7:51:43 PM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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To: sinkspur
Celibacy has been a part of the Latin Rite for some time. Widespread homosexual abuse has not. This tells me that the two issues are not inextricably intertwined.

In other words, the two do not go hand in hand. Sound spiritual direction in seminaries combined with a return to some form of disciplinary sanity would go a long way to solving this problem.

The gays would howl and holler when they were shown the door and kick up a real stink but this is a small price to pay.

21 posted on 01/16/2005 7:55:47 PM PST by marshmallow
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