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To: NYer
There are certain physical characteristics that set homosexuals apart from heterosexuals.

These intutions would never stand the test of a canonical church trial, which each and every one of these men would demand.

The way to "rout them out" is to not ordain them in the first place. I agree that homosexuals should be barred from seminaries and from ordination.

But, as long as the Church continues to ordain celibate men exclusively, it runs the risk of homosexuals masking themselves and continuing to infiltrate the priesthood.

Are the Eastern Rites overrun with homosexuals?

14 posted on 01/16/2005 6:24:16 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur; sandyeggo; Salvation
But, as long as the Church continues to ordain celibate men exclusively, it runs the risk of homosexuals masking themselves and continuing to infiltrate the priesthood.

Puhlease!!! Celibacy is NOT the reason!!! It's an excuse.

Sinkie, we all know how much you would like to be a priest. You have that option but it would mean becoming an Eastern (probably Ukrainian) Rite priest, joining the Orthodox, or becoming a Protestant minister. You wouldn't be the first one. The one has nothing to do with the other. Christ was celibate .. end of argument. Puhlease .... stop projecting this argument! It doesn't wash.

Are the Eastern Rites overrun with homosexuals?

I wouldn't know. So far, I have only met a few of their priests, all of whom were celibate and very orthodox. But their ranks are far smaller in proportion to the Latin Rite priests. I am not familiar with the screening policies in place in their seminaries.

However, I will point out that those Maronite priests who wish to serve outside of Lebanon MUST BE CELIBATE. Married priests are not allowed to serve outside of Lebanon and I am sure there are solid reasons for this. The task of serving 'overseas' is far more demanding on a family. Today, we celebrated 'Sunday of the Deceased Priests' in the Maronite Church. In his homily, Father exposed what life is really like for a priest. While saying the Divine Liturgy and Consecrating the Divine Mysteries is the pinnacle of service, it doesn't end there. He went on at great length, to describe the hours spent in his ministry, not only to the parish but as a hospital chaplain, attending to the requests from the bishop, assisting the RC Diocese of Albany. He emphasized that it requires total personal devotion. There is no room for family in that lifestyle. It would be nothing less than greed, especially in the Latin Rite.

15 posted on 01/16/2005 6:54:31 PM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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To: sinkspur
If the Church were to ordain married men, that wouldn't disqualify unmarried men who wished to remain celibate, would it?

What it would do, is unjustly cast suspicion on all the unmarried without solving the problem. Those men who genuinely believed in the value of celibacy and wished to remain in that state would have the added burden of being considered shirtlifters.

Your solution might solve the problem if only married men were allowed in the priesthood, thus doing away with the celibate state entirely. That would be lamentable.

Put me in close, day-to-day contact with a group of young men for several months or even weeks and I will tell you which of them has homosexual tendencies, or your money back. And I'm not even a spiritual director.

17 posted on 01/16/2005 7:18:15 PM PST by marshmallow
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