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To: Paul Ciniraj
Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were Deists....
2 posted on 01/13/2005 7:35:59 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Thanks, saved me the keystrokes....


3 posted on 01/13/2005 7:36:48 PM PST by Phatnbald (Out of my cold dead hands)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

What is your point?


4 posted on 01/13/2005 7:38:27 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Do you think Deist equates to pagan, sorta semi-druids?

They were very firm believers in God, his word, and his principles.

Man's use and abuse of organized religion is what made them a bit wary of it and that is reflected in our constitution. They disagreed with the Catholic and or Protestant jihads that occurred in early Europe. European leaders mass murdered those who did follow the faith of the day. They frowned on tyranny.

All of our founding fathers believed in religious tolerance as long as that religion was free enough to believe that God gave us our rights. Why do you see that as a problem?

9 posted on 01/13/2005 8:09:28 PM PST by lizma
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To: LauraleeBraswell; Paul Ciniraj

Denominational Affiliations of the Framers of the Constitution
Dr. Miles Bradford of the University of Dallas did a study on the denominational classifications that the delegates to the Constitutional Convention accepted for themselves. Contrary to myth, the following list, published by Bradford, indicates that only 3 out of 55 of the framers classified themselves as Deists.



New Hampshire

* John Langdon, CONGREGATIONALIST -- Calvinist
* Nicholas Gilman, CONGREGATIONALIST -- Calvinist
Massachusetts

* Elbridge Gerry, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Rufus King, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Caleb Strong, CONGREGATIONALIST -- Calvinist
* Nathaniel Gorham, CONGREGATIONALIST -- Calvinist
Connecticut

* Roger Sherman, CONGREGATIONALIST -- Calvinist
* William Johnson, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Oliver Ellsworth, CONGREGATIONALIST -- Calvinist
New York

* Alexander Hamilton, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* John Lansing, DUTCH REFORMED -- Calvinist
* Robert Yates, DUTCH REFORMED -- Calvinist
New Jersey

* William Patterson, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist
* William Livingston, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist
* Jonathan Dayton, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* David Brearly, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* William Churchill Houston, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist

Pennsylvania

* Benjamin Franklin, DEIST
* Robert Morris, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* James Wilson, DEIST
* Gouverneur Morris, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Thomas Mifflin, QUAKER
* George Clymer, QUAKER
* Thomas FitzSimmons, ROMAN CATHOLIC
* Jared Ingersoll, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist

Delaware

* John Dickinson, QUAKER
* George Read, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Richard Bassett, METHODIST
* Gunning Beford, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist
* Jacod Broom, LUTHERAN

Maryland

* Luther Martin, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Daniel Carroll, ROMAN CATHOLIC
* John Mercer, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* James McHenry, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist
* Daniel Jennifer, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
Virginia

* George Washington, EPISCOPALIAN (Non-Communicant)
* James Madison, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* George Mason, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Edmund Randolph, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* James Blair, Jr., EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* James McClung, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist
* George Wythe, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
North Carolina

* William Davie, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist
* Hugh Williamson, DEIST
* William Blount, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist
* Alexander Martin, PRESBYTERIAN -- Calvinist
* Richard Spaight, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
South Carolina

* John Rutledge, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Charles Pinckney, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Pierce Butler, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* Charles Pinckney, III, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
Georgia

* Abraham Baldwin, CONGREGATIONALIST -- Calvinist
* William Leigh Pierce, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* William Houstoun, EPISCOPALIAN -- Calvinist
* William Few, METHODIST


18 posted on 01/14/2005 7:29:53 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Given that it was Ben Franklin who insisted upon and successfully began prayer at the start of every session of congress to the Christian God of the Bible I would have to say that the modern definition of “deist” did not apply to ANY of these men. Further if we look at the Jefferson memorial and read the qoutes that were taken directly from him it will become evident that he was a Christian by modern definition as well. It is most distressing that many of us (including myself at one time) were mislead into believing things that are completly unfounded about the intent and purpose of our “founding fathers”. They established a Christian country and meant to do so. The so called “wall of seperation between church and state” does not exist in our consitution as we have been lead to believe. The seperation that does exist is to protect the christian church form the government NOT the government from the christian church. It also serves to prevent any one christian denomonation from assuming all political power. In fact in the formative days of this country if you were not a christian you could not hold public office. Ben Franklin and Jefferson regularly, publicly proclaimed their faith in the God of the Bible as well as His Son Christ Jesus. So to say that they were deists is to mis-represent their true beliefs and intent.


19 posted on 12/01/2008 12:29:42 PM PST by Pa Preacher (I belive in the America they did)
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