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To: HarleyD
Harley, Arminius does in fact address the other views. However, he focuses in on supralapsarian as the extreme, then sort of wraps the other to into it by association, making the argument that they're really no different than supralapsarianism.

While supralapsarianism has always been present in the church, the Reformed position is and has always been infralapsarian.

As I posted previously, Arminius never accepted the Dutch Reformed Church's position on Predestination. He only agreed with the Belgic Confession insofar as he could redefine the terms therein (with the effect of completely changing the meaning of the confession).

The order of decrees is a significant issue in predestination, but it is secondary to Arminius' larger disagreement with all Calvinist lapsarian positions.

32 posted on 01/14/2005 7:52:18 AM PST by Frumanchu (I fear the sanctions of the Mediator far above the sanctions of the moderator...)
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To: Frumanchu

Thanks Fru. I will confess after rereading this article three or four times now I have had a difficult time understanding it. I'm not sure if it's the bold print that hurts my eyes (I have a sight condition) or if it's the style of writing. About all I can tell is that Arminius didn't like the interpretation of Predestination, probably because none of the definitions fit with his theology, so he developed his own. I noticed he offered no Biblical references to support his argument.

I also noticed from the link I posted, Augustine held an infralapsarianism belief which caught my attention. (At least I can understand him.) Since I'm relatively new to the Reform theology I appreciate you pointing out what was the original position of the Reform church.


33 posted on 01/14/2005 8:40:32 AM PST by HarleyD
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