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To: WriteOn
The Council of Orange also said some other things such as:

CANON 3. If anyone says that the grace of God can be conferred as a result of human prayer, but that it is not grace itself which makes us pray to God, he contradicts the prophet Isaiah, or the Apostle who says the same thing, "I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me" (Rom 10:20, quoting Isa. 65:1).

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CANON 4. If anyone maintains that God awaits our will to be cleansed from sin, but does not confess that even our will to be cleansed comes to us through the infusion and working of the Holy Spirit, he resists the Holy Spirit himself who says through Solomon, "The will is prepared by the Lord" (Prov. 8:35, LXX), and the salutary word of the Apostle, "For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).

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CANON 7. If anyone affirms that we can form any right opinion or make any right choice which relates to the salvation of eternal life, as is expedient for us, or that we can be saved, that is, assent to the preaching of the gospel through our natural powers without the illumination and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who makes all men gladly assent to and believe in the truth, he is led astray by a heretical spirit, and does not understand the voice of God who says in the Gospel, "For apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), and the word of the Apostle, "Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God" (2 Cor. 3:5).

If you're going to condemn Supralarsarianism of which the Council of Orange was a little more vague and didn't canonized, then you might as well condemn "free will" as well which the Canons condemn over and over. As Canon 3 points out it is God's grace that "makes" us pray to Him and can only be conferred by God. Heresy comes in many forms.

27 posted on 01/13/2005 5:25:42 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

Not at all. That is predestination. In the same way that gravity "makes" us fall.


34 posted on 01/14/2005 5:31:31 PM PST by WriteOn
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