Roman Catholic Mass shows support for dozens of gays and lesbians

Twin Cities Pioneer Press ^ | 01.07.04

[Coleus]

The Wanderer is a good paper.

[eastsider]

The term "objective disorder" is a philosophical term. It is used to describe homosexual attractions because such attractions can never lead to a morally good sexual act.

Note that the term "objective disorder" describes same-sex attractions, not people. IOW, when people like Charlie and Marie Girsch (see post #1) write,

We ... are confused by messages from some of our Church leaders, suggesting that the teachings of Jesus render our gay brothers and sisters as 'objectively disordered' ...

they are misstating the Church's position.

[Tribune7]

Clay call for people to love "those who aren't like us."

I can love these guys at least enough to tell them not to partake in behavior that will shorten their life expectancy by 30 years AND, by the same amount, shorten that of their partner.

I can also love them enough to tell them that face a judgement before God with the possibility of eternal separation from Him by rejecting Him, and that indulging in certain behavior is rejecting Him.

[eastsider]

What next ...? Preists in dog collars?

Don't laugh. Back in 2002, there was such a case in the Diocese of Brooklyn. It involved Fr. John Thompson, pastor of St. Elizabeth (Queens) who celebrated Masses for the leather sub-group of Dignity known as Defenders.

When Barbara Samide, the principal of the parish school, blew the whistle on Fr. Thompson for stealing close to $150,000 from the school for expenses incurred in connection with his male lover -- a 19-year-old male go-go dancer who had lived in the rectory since January 2001 -- the erstwhile bishop of Brooklyn, Bishop Daily, had her fired.

Related FR threads here and here.

[Coleus]

Our Current Crisis in the Catholic Church: TRUTH and the Homosexual issue

NJ Catholic Priest will Bike to Raise Money for the NY Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Community Center

[little jeremiah]

Just in case you didn't see this one yet.

Blecch.

Note that homosexuals call any disagreement with their agenda or disapproval of their perversion "hate" that must be eliminated.

Homo-fascism is what it is.

[murphE]

Now that is true charity.

[DirtyHarryY2K]

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

If you want on/off the list let me know.

[DBeers]

Minneapolis/St. Paul is a homosexual hotbed!!!!

[JudyinCanada]

Homofascism...good term. I like it, very appropriate.

[Esther Ruth]

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

[little jeremiah]

If you haven't read "The Pink Swastika" by Kevin Abrams and Scott Lively, you'd be fascinated. It's a very well researched and detailed book about the history of the Nazi party and philosophy, and its link with homosexuality. It's available in its entirety online and I lost my link to it. It's also on Amazon. I have read it twice, the first time I stayed up all night to finish it.

"The Hidden Hitler" by Lothar Machtan (a German historian) provides a reasonable case that Hitler was himself a homosexual. Very convincing, and the author is not even anti "gay" rights.

"Pink Swastika" has more information about the Nazi philosophy and background, "Hitler" is more narrowly focused on H himself. There is a very deep connection between the Nazis and homosexuality, and the current "gay" rights movement its child in philosophy and method.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks very much for posting this. I've got it saved. Truth is what sets homosexuals (or anyone) free, not lies, pats on the head, and saying "there, there, you're fine just as you are."

[JudyinCanada]

Thanks for the info, lj.

I would be interested in reading that. I doubt if I can get in anywhere up here in Canada...it would likely be considered hate literature and banned. If I tried to order it from the library I would probably be arrested, so alas, I will buy it.

[murphE]

they are misstating the Church's position.

I for one am shocked! Just SHOCKED I tell you!/ sarcasm ;^)

[Esther Ruth]

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/pinkswastika.hold/index.html

Here is the link. Go there and print a copy off to read at your convenience then pass it on to whoever will read it.

[Coleus]

Oh, one of those towns.

That's what they normally do.
Target old, inner-city towns, slowly move in, refurbish the homes and become part of the community, sometimes running for local offices on the City Council and Board of Education.

[Tradosaurus]

The whole novus ordo religion is a different religion.

It has its own "pope", catechism, bible, it is definitely the whore of babylon being used by satan to lead people away from the Traditional Catholic Faith, Outside of which there is no salvation.