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To: RnMomof7; kosta50
The "New Israel "is made up of believers, gentile and Jew.

I'm going to assume that your answer is "yes"...you believe that you are of the house of Israel to which the new covenant was promised:

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Hebriews 8:9 in the new testament, and Jerimiah 31:32 both agree that those who participate in the "new covenant" are children of those who participated in the "old covenant". The Israelietes who broke the old covenant are the fathers of those who participate in the new covenant. Both physical Israelites, and spriitual Israelites, are members of the house of Israel...do you agree?

87 posted on 01/12/2005 7:54:10 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
The "New Israel "is made up of believers, gentile and Jew.

I'm going to assume that your answer is "yes"...you believe that you are of the house of Israel to which the new covenant was promised:

I am assuming that you did not read the article in the link

The Israel of God is not the nation of Israel..

      9. Not according to, &c.--very different from, and far superior to, the old covenant, which only "worked wrath" ( Rom 4:15 ) through man's "not regarding" it. The new covenant enables us to obey by the Spirit's inward impulse producing love because of the forgiveness of our sins.
      made with--rather as Greek, "made to": the Israelites being only recipients, not coagents [ALFORD] with God.
      I took them by the hand--as a father takes his child by the hand to support and guide his steps. "There are three periods: (1) that of the promise; (2) that of the pedagogical instruction; (3) that of fulfilment" [BENGEL]. The second, that of the pedagogical pupilage, began at the exodus from Egypt.
      I regarded them not--English Version, Jer 31:32 , translates, "Although I was an husband unto them." Paul's translation here is supported by the Septuagint, Syriac, and GESENIUS, and accords with the kindred Arabic. The Hebrews regarded not God, so God, in righteous retribution, regarded them not. On "continued not in my covenant," Schelling observes: The law was in fact the mere ideal of a religious constitution: in practice, the Jews were throughout, before the captivity, more or less polytheists, except in the time of David, and the first years of Solomon (the type of Messiah's reign). Even after the return from Babylon, idolatry was succeeded by what was not much better, formalism and hypocrisy ( Mat 12:43 ). The law was (1) a typical picture, tracing out the features of the glorious Gospel to be revealed; (2) it had a delegated virtue from the Gospel, which ceased, therefore, when the Gospel came.

      10. make with--Greek, "make unto."
      Israel--comprising the before disunited ( Hbr 8:8 ) ten tribes' kingdom, and that of Judah. They are united in the spiritual Israel, the elect Church, now: they shall be so in the literal restored kingdom of Israel to come.
A. R. FAUSSETT

     

88 posted on 01/12/2005 8:43:32 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: DouglasKC
Doug, the law was abandoned because it is incapable if saving us or the Jews.

Paul reminds us that

Unlike Christ, whose sacrifice is lasting

He leaves no doubt that this was something less than perfect and only of temporary nature, until the appearance of Christ

If that is so, why would we go from a New Covenant predicted in the OT to the Old Covenant? From a perfect covenant to a less perfect one? What do we have to find in the Old that is not in the New?

89 posted on 01/13/2005 1:53:57 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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