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To: DouglasKC
Douglas, the Jews do not consider the commandemtns to be the law. The commandments came from God, the law from Moses.

"But be very careful to keep the commandment and the law" (Joshua 22:5)

The Gentiles are under God's commandments but not under the law of Moses. A Jew can be "righteous" even if (s)he does not believe. It's all works [of the law]. If you drive 55 in a 55, you are being "righteous" as far as the state is concerned, but you do not merit reward for observing the law. Also, you do not drive 55 in a 55 because you love the law, but because you obey it (out of fear).

You quote from the NT, of course, because it was Christ jesus who redefined the whole concept of righteousness. Saving a life on a Sabbath is the right thing to do, even if it breaks the law. Obey the love, not the law.

Judaism does not teach that man is in need of salvation. It proposes that if you live a decent life you will make yourself acceptable to God. It's all about the law. It assumes that if you obey the law, you will obey the commandments, but it doesn't care why.

You quotes are appropriate -- for Christian mindset. We are in agreement on that. My disagreement with you is over the OT.

74 posted on 01/11/2005 7:45:36 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
You quote from the NT, of course, because it was Christ jesus who redefined the whole concept of righteousness. Saving a life on a Sabbath is the right thing to do, even if it breaks the law. Obey the love, not the law.

Christ restored the concept of righteousness to what it was intended to be. Judaism had added unbiblical rules, regulations and legalisms and elevated them to the same status as scripture.

You quotes are appropriate -- for Christian mindset. We are in agreement on that. My disagreement with you is over the OT.

I honestly think that you're mixing in Judiac tradition with what's actually in scripture. But oh well...close enough.

76 posted on 01/11/2005 9:34:29 PM PST by DouglasKC
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