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To: DouglasKC
Whatever. You still haven't shown a verse where Jesus flat out says he IS G-D. You also haven't shown any verse from Acts where it was necessary for anyone to profess that Jesus wsas G-d to be saved.

And if Jesus was G-d then why the battle of wills in the garden of Gethsemane? Is G-d always indecisive?

151 posted on 01/15/2005 1:16:12 PM PST by ET(end tyranny) (Isa:59:20-And a redeemer will come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob....)
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Ahhh the battle of the cults... I love it

Have a good time guys :>)


153 posted on 01/15/2005 1:18:35 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Whatever. You still haven't shown a verse where Jesus flat out says he IS G-D.

Sure I did. You don't believe me though. There's nothing I can do about that.

You also haven't shown any verse from Acts where it was necessary for anyone to profess that Jesus wsas G-d to be saved.

Already 'splained...

And if Jesus was G-d then why the battle of wills in the garden of Gethsemane? Is G-d always indecisive?

Because Christ became man with all of mans inclinations to rebel against the father. Lucky for us he overame temptation and the pull of the flesh to lead a sinless life and become the captain of our salvation.

154 posted on 01/15/2005 1:23:47 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: ET(end tyranny)
"a verse where Jesus flat out says he IS G-D."

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them."

Just as man is composed of body, soul and spirit, so too is God. That is why the prior passage, Genesis 1:26, says,
"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

That is the nature of Jesus claim in John 8:58, "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

The souls of men were not created before their bodies. Only the One who was not created existed before all. Jesus response was given to the following question, John 8:57, "You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”.

" if Jesus was G-d then why the battle of wills in the garden of Gethsemane? Is G-d always indecisive?

God became man. In order to be fully human, He had to develop and recreate His Spirit just as all other men-from scratch, out of their own Free will. He never had the full knowledge of the Father, only the heart and wisdom of the Father. Matt 24:36, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. The Father knew the mechanics behind the shining of the stars, did Jesus? In the scheme of things, that was not important.

"any verse from Acts where it was necessary for anyone to profess that Jesus was G-d to be saved."

There is none. John 8:1-11, gives the teaching of the Holy Spirit that illuminates the meaning of Isaiah 63-

"But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

“No one, sir,” she said.

"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

This is the One in Isaiah 63:1-6,
Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?
Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength?

"It is I, speaking in righteousness, mighty to save."

Why are your garments red, like those of one treading the winepress?

"I have trodden the winepress alone; from the nations no one was with me.
I trampled them in my anger and trod them down in my wrath; their blood spattered my garments, and I stained all my clothing.


For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redemption has come.
I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so my own arm worked salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me.
I trampled the nations in my anger; in my wrath I made them drunk and poured their blood on the ground."

Here is what God says, Matt 12:31-32, "And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

He made them drunk by giving then life and a Free will to determine their own destiny. Those who reject the Spirit, pour their own blood on the ground.

167 posted on 01/15/2005 3:14:09 PM PST by spunkets
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