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To: 1 spark
I am well familiar with the book of James..

It does not address the levitical law which has been the topic of this discussion

James is not saying that we need 'works' to be saved.

His point is How does the world know we are saved?

God knows those that are his, but how does the world know ? By the witness of our lives .

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

If "works " do not flow out of our salvation, then there is no salvation

This is as good a summary as I have seen

James, however, is writing solely to Jews, who from infancy have been raised with the Scriptures and knew what they taught...who were likely impacted by the ministry of John the Baptist...who may have heard the teachings of Christ Himself...and who had enjoyed the benefit of at least 15 years of Apostolic teaching. Believers such as this were held to a higher standard than the Gentile or Jewish converts outside of Palestine, and reasonably were expected by now to show the proper fruits of true salvation based on the teaching they would have received.

His reason for writing is not, as in the case of Paul, to outline the formula of salvation, adding the need for Works which Paul apparently fails to convey clearly (remember James was writing to educated Jewish converts, who presumably already knew the basis of soul-saving salvation was God’s forgiveness of sin through blood atonement achieved by faith in Messiah’s sacrifice); what he’s actually doing is illustrating what sort of faith actually Saves a person by rebuking hypocrites in the church who claimed to have faith in Christ as Messiah but yet had no visible evidence of that faith in their lives.

This to James marked them as Christians in name only, just as Jesus rebuked hypocrites within the Pharisee movement who, while they obeyed every commandment of God they could find, lacked the light and love of God in their lives on a practical level. James understood that true Christians should display the love of God in their lives by their actions, but while these so-called believers paid lip service to Christianity, their lifestyles weren’t adding up. James is thus doing no differently than Paul, in the book of 1st Corinthians, who is rebuking the church for tolerating open sin in the fellowship. He is, however, coming at the subject on a slightly different path than Paul, emphasizing that true faith demonstrates itself by a change in lifestyle and that, absent this evidence by what he calls “Works”, the sort of faith had by the individual obviously lacks the ability to actually Save the person from God’s wrath.

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143 posted on 01/15/2005 1:02:04 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
remember James was writing to educated Jewish converts, who presumably already knew the basis of soul-saving salvation was God’s forgiveness of sin through blood atonement achieved by faith in Messiah’s sacrifice

Is that part of Jesus' gospel, or Paul's?

Anyway...aside from that, your article seems to support what I already posted. James did NOT advocate doing away with the law and said that faith without the law is dead. You cannot be justified by faith alone. Your article supports this when it says:

" He (James) is, however, coming at the subject on a slightly different path than Paul, emphasizing that true faith demonstrates itself by a change in lifestyle and that, absent this evidence by what he calls “Works”, the sort of faith had by the individual obviously lacks the ability to actually Save the person from God’s wrath."

Condensing that... Without works , faith cannot save a person from God's wrath.

Doing works is doing what is right...is following the Law. Jesus summed up what God expects of us (the Law) in those 2 commandments. We can do this. Why is that so difficult to understand?

174 posted on 01/15/2005 4:49:02 PM PST by 1 spark (Jesus was a Jew)
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