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To: snerkel
It is apparent that the author is stating that one must follow the 10 Commandments in order to achieve righteousness.,

Actually I think the author is stating that God's laws indwell in the hearts and minds of believers. This law is the law of love (love of God and love of others) and the written summary of this is the ten commandments.

Does the author not know there are actually 613 Laws and that the 10 Commandments are not the Law, they are actually "Sayings" for which the 613 Laws are categorized?

The new testament specifies which of these laws have been modified or fulfilled with the ushering in the new covenant. According to Hebrews 9:9,10 these are rituals associated with food, drinks, washings, and ordinances that were imposed until Christ. Sacrifices were also obviated because of the sacrifice of Christ which was once and for all. (Hebrews 9:24).

14 posted on 01/08/2005 10:17:32 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

In addition, there are New Testament comandments that are added. 1 John 3:23 is one. 1 Cor 14:37 is another.


15 posted on 01/08/2005 10:48:05 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: DouglasKC
snerkel: It is apparent that the author is stating that one must follow the 10 Commandments in order to achieve righteousness.

DouglasKC: Actually I think the author is stating that God's laws indwell in the hearts and minds of believers. This law is the law of love (love of God and love of others) and the written summary of this is the ten commandments.

snerkel: Where does the author state or imply this?

Earlier I stated "It is apparent that the author is stating that one must follow the 10 Commandments in order to achieve righteousness." I came to that conclusion after reading these paragraphs...

"The third statement of Jesus pronounces that our fate rests on our attitude toward and treatment of God's holy law. "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least [by those] in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:19). The "by those" is added for clarification, since, as explained in other passages, those who persist in lawbreaking and teach others to break God's law will not themselves be in the Kingdom at all."

"The real Jesus kept the law and expected His disciples to do the same. He made clear His attitude about anyone diminishing one iota from the law. Anyone not keeping it is only using the good name of Christ without doing what He said."


I also find it interesting that no where in the article does the author mention grace. John 1:15-18 "the Law came through Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.". The author also fails to state that the strength of sin is in the law. (1 Corinthians 15:51-57)

snerkel: Does the author not know there are actually 613 Laws and that the 10 Commandments are not the Law, they are actually "Sayings" for which the 613 Laws are categorized?

DouglasKC: The new testament specifies which of these laws have been modified or fulfilled with the ushering in the new covenant. According to Hebrews 9:9,10 these are rituals associated with food, drinks, washings, and ordinances that were imposed until Christ. Sacrifices were also obviated because of the sacrifice of Christ which was once and for all. (Hebrews 9:24).

First, your comments are irrelevant to my question concerning the number of laws and the purpose of the "10 Sayings".

Second, what you state is contradictory to what the author has stated in the article:

"Since Jesus obeyed the commandments of God, it follows that His servants, too, must keep the commandments and teach others to do the same (1 John 2:2-6). It is in this way that the true ministers of Christ are to be identified—by their following the example He left them (John 13:15)."
16 posted on 01/08/2005 11:14:37 AM PST by snerkel ("Don't condone what God condemns")
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