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To: wagglebee

The following excerpt is from John Bishop's interview with Michael Davies which appeared in Christian Order. It was Michael Davies' last interview:

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Michael Davies: I’ll tell you a good little story that Count Capponi told us at our general assembly of Una Voce. Cardinal Kasper went on an ecumenical mission to Athens last year.

John Bishop: Cardinal Kasper? Oh he is the German.

MD: Yes. He and his fellow German, Lehmann, were made Cardinals. You see there is no chance of Cardinal Ratzinger being made Pope. The job of Kasper and Lehmann is to go to the conclave and stop anyone Ratzinger supports from being made Pope. It is interesting, Pope John Paul II wouldn’t appoint Kasper and Lehmann at first and a week later he did.

JB: Yes. Their appointment came as a shock to a lot of orthodox Catholics.

MD: Well do you know where the pressure came from? The Polish hierarchy. Because they get so much money from the Germans. So Kasper and Lehmann said, ‘You scratch our backs and we’ll scratch yours.’

JB: Is that genuine? An inside story?

MD: Oh yes definitely. The Polish hierarchy put the pressure on. But anyway Kasper went on this ecumenical mission to Athens, attended the Greek Orthodox liturgy in the morning and in the afternoon he was having lunch. Then the Greek Orthodox Archbishop of Athens, who is a good friend of Count Capponi and Una Voce, asked his Eminence how he had enjoyed the liturgy in the morning. "Oh wonderful, wonderful," said the Cardinal, "I thought I was in heaven." Then the Archbishop said that he thought perhaps that they should make some changes to the Greek liturgy because, perhaps for modern people today, some of it is too mystifying. Kasper said, "No that would be a mortal sin. You mustn’t change a thing. Keep it exactly as it is." And the Archbishop said, "Then why did you destroy your liturgy which was the equivalent of ours?"

JB: What is going on here? Saying what they think people want to hear. Now you see them now you don’t. This is perfidy.

MD: Oh yes. Well the policy of the Vatican, largely due to this Pope, a lot of people practically worship this Pope, and think he is inspired, but his ideas on ecumenism are just totally disastrous. He really knows nothing at all about Protestant Churches and he hasn’t achieved anything at all and nor did Paul VI. The Catholic Church in its practice has become more and more Protestant and the Protestants haven’t budged an inch.


39 posted on 01/02/2005 7:20:24 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
The Catholic Church in its practice has become more and more Protestant and the Protestants haven’t budged an inch.

Tell me about it. The last NO Mass I attended, in English, that is, was the Catholic version of Dr. Schuller's Hour of Power, complete with silky white robe for the 'pastoral associate.'

44 posted on 01/02/2005 7:36:55 PM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: ultima ratio
The Catholic Church in its practice has become more and more Protestant and the Protestants haven’t budged an inch.

Which is why mainline Protestants are converting to the Novus Ordo while cradle Catholics flee to SSPX, the Orthodox or conservative non-denom bible churches.

47 posted on 01/02/2005 7:43:18 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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