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To: gbcdoj

Very nice. But are you actually capable of taking concepts and expressing them simply in YOUR OWN WORDS? Rather then giving us endless lengths of eye-crossing material to plow through?


303 posted on 01/04/2005 6:44:18 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: thor76; gbcdoj
But are you actually capable of taking concepts and expressing them simply in YOUR OWN WORDS? Rather then giving us endless lengths of eye-crossing material to plow through?

Better the magisterial teaching, no matter how eye-crossing, than your personal interpretations of them, which often end up in the weeds (I offer your views on the validity of marriages with no representative of the Church present).

304 posted on 01/04/2005 6:54:24 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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But are you actually capable of taking concepts and expressing them simply in YOUR OWN WORDS?

Well in this case we have under discussion the following points from Kramer's article:

(a) the Church cannot, according to the Council of Trent, create a new rite for the Sacraments.
(b) according to Vatican II, the decrees of Vatican II impose no obligation on the faithful.

I could just assert that these two propositions are false, by why would someone believe me over Kramer? So I quoted two short paragraphs, one from Trent and the other from the Note proceeding Lumen Gentium, which show both of these assertions false.

306 posted on 01/04/2005 7:46:31 PM PST by gbcdoj
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