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To: Rosary

Interesting...so what you're saying is any Novus Ordo Catholic, regardless of their views, is not a true Catholic. I'll have to disagree with this.


81 posted on 12/29/2004 4:57:51 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die; Canticle_of_Deborah; Viva Christo Rey

The problem with Novus Ordo Catholics is this: most are either not strong in their faith, or at least they are weak in their knowledge/training. If your faoundations & training in the faith are weak, you are very susectable to being subtly manipulated into apostacy.

A simple example by way of externals. Most older Catholics were taught to genuflect before the tabernacle, and that unecessary talking in church was disrespectful to God. Since many younger Catholics were not taught such things, it might be understandable if they do not do what is correct in these matters.

But where does that leave the cradle Catholic over 40? He/she should know better, yet 9 times out of 10 in any NO church you will NOT see them genuflect bvefore the Presense, and they will talk......er... make that SHOUT to each other before and after mass, like its a beerhall! Yet, they should certainly know better - right? And we all have seen those who are quiet in church, otherwise devout, yet who do not genuflect.

Why is this? Because they have/are gradually being led into unfaith. Because there is no clear, firm teaching universally taught much less applied in the NO.

If one can be gradually and subtly led away from the faith in superficial externals.......one can be profoundly led away from the faith in essentials.

In a nutshell, there is tendency for the NO Catholic to be weak, and to be led, as they trust too much, do not ask questions, as tend to go with the flow. Spiritually, that is a receipe for disaster.

By this I do not mean that all NO Catholics are bad people or fools. No indeed. But, they are placing themselves in a position to be misled by misapplied trust.


86 posted on 12/29/2004 6:10:14 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Conservative til I die

You may disagree, but it is a true fact.
Why do you think these folks and others adhereing to the old Latin traditional Latin Mass, are spiritually fighting to hang on? If the New Ordo was any good, the hundreds of Catholic Churches across the globe would NOT be closing, there would be NO shortage of priests, nuns ect. schools would be teaching the truths that there is one TRUE GOD and His Commandments,Not
NO PRAYER IN SCHOOLS , no fear or love of God, the clergy would wear their habits ,Not Plain everyday joe clothes, and the scapular and the rosary would be worn and recited daily in home and Church.
Conservative, there is a video out that tells the whole story, and watching it explains FULLY the situation in our Catholic Church today, I will post it , so all interested may see for themselves and UNDERSTAND, why Fr. Wickens and priests like him across the globe are saying NOTHING BUT THE OLD LATIN MASS. THe web is www.the-pope.com/isocmain.html
The video is called;WHAT WE LOST AND THE ROAD TO RESTORATION. YOu will see the results for it is an eyeopening tape and every Catholic priest and person should see it!!!!!!!! Praying for ALL, Mary help !


98 posted on 12/30/2004 8:16:39 AM PST by Rosary (Pray the Rosary daily)
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