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The world has not been right since the garden. It was just a little less bad then. The two have nothing to do with one another.

So you're trying to say things are NOT getting worst?

With all due respect, I just don't know what planet your living on.

Homosexuals use the same arguements you are using. They can pull out scripture and twist it to say that homosexuality is ok, and that the bible condones them leading churches as Ministers.

Trust me, they are doing it! They would even point out that many a fine homosexual have led communities and "done" good deeds HISTORICALLY, without the communities ever knowing it. Today, there are many in the United States and the world who advocate them being leaders in the Ministries of our churches and parishes.

It is a dangerous path, one that God warned us would happen. That path includes women as ministers. So I won't listen to you also try to argue for something that makes YOU feel good, that fulfills YOUR needs. It is something YOU want and others like you who are trying to fulfill a need inside them want!

But it is wrong. So many of us know it. We feel it. We have "spiritual discernment" about it. In otherwords, we know it in our guts. And THAT is God talking to us.

He has done so in the written word, and He does so in our hearts and in our "guts".

For some women it is an "ego" thing. A psychological thing. You could do many good things for God. But instead you go against His commands. Thus, you are tearing up entire churches. If you can't see that you are PART of the problem, so be it.

God Bless.

I have a problem with someone who touts his or her "discernment" especially defining it the way you do. Discernment is not something in your gut. That may be gas. Discernment is a revelation of spiritual things by the Spirit to the spirit. Most often I find them to be ultra religious; you know, having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof. And, your accusations regarding "me" tearing up churches, going against God's commands and so on are totallu unfounded.

You tout women as ministers as being evil but are we not all called to be ministers? You would think that you believe that God created women inferior to men. Do you? God created men and women in His image. Both men and women were given dominion over creation. "Let them rule," God said. Verse 28 tells us: "God blessed them and said to them, `Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.' " These commands were given to both male and female. Genesis 1 treats men and women equally.

Both were equally responsible for the fall. When a man or woman is born again they are not born again in female spirit or male spirit but in the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Taking one text in Timothy completely out of context to fit one's doctrine is what actually tears up churches.