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To: PleaseNoMore
We will have to agree to disagree. I can not waver on what I consider to be doctrine of man interpreted without discerning the times, language and culture and events in which Paul's letter was written to Timothy.

Are there not truths that live in all times regardless of the culture ? How do we know with precision what the cultural circumstances or intent of the writers were? That calls for pure speculation.

Scripture tells us God is immutable, are you saying that His word is not ?

Lets bring your premises into other documents.

Should we endorse the same principle when it comes to interpreting the U.S. Constitution ? Should we can disregard the 2nd Ammendment because the Founding Fathers had no idea of the proliferation of guns in our current culture??

Your position is one that demands speculation on the part of the church (and individuals ). Is what we hold true now not going to be true later? Or is there an eternal truth in Gods word? Is it the position of men to determine changing Gods truth on speculation?

No where does the word of God command or even hint that we interpret scripture in the light of the culture.

  Therefore, it is unwise (and un-Reformed) to interpret Scripture in the light of a culture which we do not fully know and then simply disregard the command by concluding we don't have that same issue or that same culture.  We should interpret Scripture in the light of Scripture.

256 posted on 01/01/2005 9:48:25 AM PST by RnMomof7 (because I'm good enough , and smart enough and darn it I deserve it ")
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To: RnMomof7
Using one scripture as a basis to conclude that women are not allowed to speak or be in positions of leadership is not consistent with the fact that women indeed did speak teach and exercise authority in the early church. You must take into consideration the overall message of the gospel and look at Paul's own teaching and practices when dealing with this issue.

From the Genevan Institute of Reformed Studies:

Hermanuetics -

Biblical hermaneutics is primarily concerned with rightly determining the original intent of each text of Scripture. As a passage is examined we must proceed according to principles affirmed in the Scriptures themselves. Paul wrote to Timothy about the importance of careful study; 2 Timothy 2:15 "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth."

The Historical

To understand a text properly the interpreter must know where it fits into the unfolding of God's plan in the context of history. It helps us to know the writer, the ones to whom he is writing, the situation each was in at the time, the problems that were important at that time, and the contemporary setting. The contemporary setting includes the current customs, problems, events and expressions used that may color the meaning of the text.

As for " Scriptura Scripturae interpres":

The best way to understand a passage is to see how the rest of Scripture fits with it and clarifies it.

I would be less than honest in my doctrine if I did not say that God has ordained her position for His purpose. I am simply not comfortable having a female in the role of spiritual authority in a church.

You acknowledge that this woman is ordained of God for this purpose and say that you respect her immensely but, at the same time, say that you are not comfortable with it. Because you are not comfortable with the issue does it mean that she is in error? Obviously you recognize that God is using her for His kingdom.

258 posted on 01/01/2005 12:16:41 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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