[ZGuy]

Could someone please address the shroud and John 20: 3-7? Many believe the shroud is not authentic not due to scientific analysis, but because scripture says that His head was wrapped in a separate cloth :

3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.

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[Aquinasfan]

scripture says that His head was wrapped in a separate cloth

That seems to be the Sudarium of Oviedo. Matching bloodstains and bloodtype.

Same bloodtype as the the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano too.

[NYer]

He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.

I believe you are referring to the Sudarium. This cloth was placed about the man's head while he was still in a vertical position, presumably before he was removed from the cross. It was then removed before the Shroud was placed over the man's face.

One of the relics held by the cathedral in the town of Oviedo, in the north of Spain, is a piece of cloth measuring approximately 84 x 53 cm. There is no image on this cloth. Only stains are visible to the naked eye, although more is visible under the microscope. The remarkable thing about this cloth is that both tradition and scientific studies claim that the cloth was used to cover and clean the face of Jesus after the crucifixion.

The history of the sudarium is well documented, and much more straightforward than that of the Shroud. Most of the information comes from the twelfth century bishop of Oviedo, Pelagius (or Pelayo), whose historical works are the Book of the Testaments of Oviedo, and the Chronicon Regum Legionensium.

According to this history, the sudarium was in Palestine until shortly before the year 614, when Jerusalem was attacked and conquered by Chosroes II, who was king of Persia from 590 to 628. It was taken away to avoid destruction in the invasion, first to Alexandria by the presbyter Philip, then across the north of Africa when Chosroes conquered Alexandria in 616. The sudarium entered Spain at Cartagena, along with people who were fleeing from the Persians. The bishop of Ecija, Fulgentius, welcomed the refugees and the relics, and surrendered the chest, or ark, to Leandro, bishop of Seville. He took it to Seville, where it spent some years.

Hence, both cloths - the Sudarium and the Shroud - have survived since that glorious day when Christ rose from the dead.

[Pyro7480]

Could someone please address the shroud and John 20: 3-7? Many believe the shroud is not authentic not due to scientific analysis, but because scripture says that His head was wrapped in a separate cloth :

I'm thinking that the blood soaked through. Blood does that.

[Jaded]

That would be the Sudarium of Oviedo... Sudarium Links