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To: connectthedots; walden
You will hear some people say that Onan sinned when he "spilled his seed", but the real sin of Onan was

Hogwash. Show me a quote from ANY Christian prior to 1900 that agrees with this nonsense.

Its only the sex obsessed 20th century "christians" who make such a claim, because everyone for 19 centuries prior to that, including ALL the protestant reformers, believed just the opposite of what you claim here.

As for the "Song of Songs" condoning marital sodomy, be it oral, anal, mastubatory or contraceptive, again Show me a quote from ANY Christian prior to 1900 that agrees with this nonsense.

Its only the sex obsessed 20th century "christians" who make such a claim.

As far as Christian guiidelines for marital sexuality, the bottom line is this:

Anything goes, but only IF, in the end, you could get pregnant as a result.

Oral stimulation prior to sexual intercourse is OK for foreplay. Same with just about anything else.

But according to all Christian history except the last 100 years, any type of sex that precludes contraception when its all said and done, is sodomitic in nature.

See the writings of Luther, Calvin, and the other reformers regarding the Onan incident if you need further proof.

19 posted on 12/15/2004 5:34:17 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool [esp. a bigoted Christianophobic fool] can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Anything goes, but only IF, in the end, you could get pregnant as a result.

What if a woman has had a hysterectomy?

If what you claim is true, then a person should only have sex during the time frame when a woman is fertile. That kind of eliminates the practice of the rhythm method of birth control; doesn't it?

As for the "Song of Songs" condoning marital sodomy...

If it is within marriage, its not sodomy. I don't think Song of Songs says anything about contraception. Where do you find scripture that says that sex is only appropriate if the wife could become pregnant? Sex within marriage serves many purposes other than procreation. Aside from the pleasure it should bring, it helps create an emotional and spiritual bond between a husband and wife.

But according to all Christian history except the last 100 years, any type of sex that precludes contraception when its all said and done, is sodomitic in nature.

Your source for this comment. Even if true, it doesn't make it correct.

See the writings of Luther, Calvin, and the other reformers regarding the Onan incident if you need further proof.

You claim this to be true, you supple the sources. What makes you think they got it right. Last time I looked, the Roman Catholic Church does seem to have a real positive view of Luther or Calvin. I'm not all that impressed with Calvin myself, but for far different reasons. Maybe his wife died at a young age, in part, from sexual frustration. it's not like Calvin was a real lovable or affectionate type of guy.

22 posted on 12/15/2004 6:16:15 PM PST by connectthedots
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