Questions on Sexuality and the Bible (vanity)

12/15/04 | self

[GarySpFc]

http://achristiancounselor.com/oralsex.html

[AnnaZ]

The I Corinthians 7 passage you referenced in no way authorizes or prohibits the use of oral sex. To state it authorizes or approves such is an extremely forced interpretation of the passage.

You have a weird way of interpreting 'denying one's spouse nothing in order to prevent fornication'. But a lot of people use "Godliness" as an excuse. I guess "having a headache" is just for the inhibited secularists?

 

I don't want to fight with you, or anyone else here. The original poster can take all this info and opinion and make up her/his own mind.

[diamond6]

You're a feisty one aren't ya!

[gbcdoj]

Has it not occurred to anyone writing on the subject that Onan denied the woman a baby which she wanted, and to which she was entitled under the law? That seems a MUCH worse sin than a mis-directed emission.

The punishment for simply denying the woman the child is given by Moses in Deuteronomy 25:8-10 and it is not death.

[Twinkie]

No! I am OLD and irritable, and I agree with Zell Miller about these things. Not to bring anyone down, but time flies and we need to remember our Creator in the days of our youth and serve him instead of using our flesh in a lustful way. We can have a lot of joy in the mate of our youth if we nurture them and be faithful to them and vice versa. A wandering eye is partly what got Scott Peterson in trouble. He went after a woman who looked a lot like a female impersonator and ended up losing the beauty that was right under his own roof.

[GarySpFc]

You have a weird way of interpreting 'denying one's spouse nothing in order to prevent fornication'. But a lot of people use "Godliness" as an excuse. I guess "having a headache" is just for the inhibited secularists?

The words "denying one's spouse nothing" are not in the passage. Denying a spouse nothing using your logic could include anal sex and wife beating. You are correct in one respect in that everyone can make up her/his own mind.

[diamond6]

I agree with you 100%

I still think you're feisty :)

[Twinkie]

Thanks. I read it and bookmarked it.

[AnnaZ]

The words "denying one's spouse nothing" are not in the passage.

You used double quotes, I used single -- commonly called paraphrasing.

 

"4: The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5: Defraud ye not one the other"

 

Better?

 

Again, I'm not going to fight you... my original reponse was for the original poster. People get all funky about sex. I let them. Hopefully your spouse is in agreement with you, and mine with me. That's ultimately all that matters, right? 'Cause if it ain't whoremongering and adultery, God seems to be quite fine with it, too.

[A.J.Armitage]

The passage in Deuteronomy deals with a man who refuses the levirate marriage. Onan took the marriage but refused to procreate. In other words, he took advantage of her.

[Free and Armed]

Dude, whatever you and your wife want to do with each other. I really don't know of any specific stuff about couples and sex, but I'd be careful what the Old Testament says. I think by some rule a lot of that stuff was nullified by Jesus (Mosaic law?), and the sexual practices were just for the Jews for specific reasons, though the general stuff like no beastiality and no homosexuality still applies. You know, just the real specific stuff doesn't apply, like spilling your seed or not having sex during menstruation period (though I don't know why anyone would want to). I don't really know, but I'd say whatever y'all want to do that doesn't involve any 3rd parties. Not sure if the sodomy law applies only to dudes or to heterosexual couples as well (sorry if I'm being a little graphic, just making a point). Just remember that God designed sex for the dual purposes of procreation and pleasure for married couples, and in that context it is a wholesome activity in itself, for keeping the human race going and solidifying intimacy between man and woman. But then again, don't take spiritual advice from me, cause I've fallen away from church and believing in Christianity over the past couple of years. STill kept the core values I was taught by my family and church though, which is why I'm a conservative. Good luck finding an answer. Maybe try the Focus on the Family website? (www.family.org) They have free books about all kinds of stuff pertaining to couples on there. If you never heard of it, it's basically a conservative Christian ministry that places a lot of emphasis on maintaining healthy, Christian families, and has lots of advice about marriage, even sexual intimacy. Try that if you're still looking for answers.

[GarySpFc]

Hopefully your spouse is in agreement with you, and mine with me. That's ultimately all that matters, right? 'Cause if it ain't whoremongering and adultery, God seems to be quite fine with it, too.

The Greek word for fornicator (whoremongering) in the Hebrews 13:4 passage is pornea, which according to Kittel's lexicon includes sodomy.

[connectthedots]

The author of the linked article sure goes out of her way to ignore quite a few sections of Song of Songs as they relate to oral sex.

[KOZ.]

i've read that as well.

on a similar note, i've read that in the ten commmandments when translated from the greek, uses the word porneo, which equates fornication prostitution and adultery.

[GarySpFc]

The author of the linked article sure goes out of her way to ignore quite a few sections of Song of Songs as they relate to oral sex.

I see nothing in the Song of Solomon relating in any way to oral sex. I believe individuals are reading something in the text which simply is not there.

I think this boils down to one major point. Christ has done so much for me I am going to try in all ways to give Him my best and not my least.

[xzins]

homosexuality is an abomination as is bestiality. Adultery is forbidden. Fornication is forbidden.

There are no other restrictions so far as I remember.

[Frumanchu]

Maybe his wife died at a young age, in part, from sexual frustration. it's not like Calvin was a real lovable or affectionate type of guy.

He probably just thought she was frigid.

[xzins]

The problem with Onan was his selfish unwillingness to help his sister-in-law have a child to continue his brother's lineage and provide for her in her old age. His heart was his problem, not his coitus interruptus.

There is no hint in that passage that the interruption technique would be wrong elsewhere under non-selfish circumstances.

[Gamecock]

There is no hint in that passage that the interruption technique would be wrong elsewhere under non-selfish circumstances.

Though it might be a bit untidy.

[xzins]

untidy....

Looks like the chaplain's gonna have to smack you smart-alect troops around a bit, doesn't it? :>)