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To: Land of the Irish
The church is also imaged as a mystery ...
Lumen Gentium asserts that the church’s organization and its charter is of divine origin. Collegiality, as used in Lumen Gentium, refers exclusively to that unique institution of the successors of the apostles, the bishops in union with the pope; they form the college, the collegium. One can reasonably say that just as Peter relates to his fellow apostles in the apostolic college as brothers and not as a sovereign to his subjects, and just as Jesus himself says that all will know you as my disciples because you do not lord it over each other as the gentiles do, that such is the norm in episcopal college, successor to the apostolic college. But to try to the notion of collegiality into a juridical hammer, a parliament of bishops, and then try to say that the parliamentary principle is the norm for every gathering and assembly in the Catholic Church is theologically false. It is a total misinterpretation of Lumen Gentium to to think that collegiality has to do with some populist notion of democracy.

What seems to be overlooked is that Chapter 2 of Lumen Gentium deals with the laity, Chapter 3 deals with the hierarchical church, but Chapter 1 deals with the mystery of the Church. In other words, the first defining description of the Church in Lumen Gentium, which is indisputedly the most important document of the council, is not the hierarchy, not the people of God, but the mystery of the Church as a communion of the whole: Christ Jesus, the pope, the bishops, the priests, the religious, the laity — all one mysterious Body of Christ.

6 posted on 12/13/2004 11:45:51 AM PST by eastsider
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To: eastsider
Thanks Eastsider,it is disgusting to see how these theologians twist and spin.

I felt much more compelled to evangelize the world by imitating Christ after leaving the old Mass.

One nun once told us that "Ite,miss est" meant,"Go,the mass has ended now fed by the Boky,Blood,Soul and Divinity of Christ,now,go out and imitate Christ in the world".

I will say that I wondered about the length of her English interpretation of those three Latin words. Nonetheless,it made a lot of sense then and it still does.

Every one should arm themselves with the document from Vat II that states "Led by Peter,in union with Peter and never without Peter" when they attend these brainwashing sessions. It slows down the dialogue to a little slower than a snail's pace when with document in hand,one raises his hand and asks,"Father,what does this mean"?

We now have the Indult in Phoenix and I am always stricken at the Consecration when the priest says "This is the Mystery of Faith------" It is so powerful. When I have attended the New Order Mass with my son and his children the "Christ has died,Christ is risen,Christ will come again",stands as a pitiful substitute. IMO.

13 posted on 12/13/2004 12:44:23 PM PST by saradippity
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